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By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Jul 21 2024 16:07:51

The issue was Microsoft Windows granting CrowdStrike software privileges
enough to crash your stuff.

But thats not Microsoft granting CrowdStrike the privilege, its the IT deparements who installed CrowdStrike on their PCs.

Or do you want Microsoft to decide what boot-start drivers people should
be allowed to install, and thus Microsoft to dictate what you can and cant do with your PC?

You can argue how important the CS boot-start is, however the
reality is that it is *not* important enough to prevent booting
into the OS. Maybe it should revert to safe mode with CS
sandboxed or whatever, but life needs to continue so that the
issue can be addressed. MS handling of this fault most
certainly is *not* optimal. CS is only one of many "important"
services in these systems.


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Re: Re: microsoft outage
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 2024 05:23 pm

the CS Falcon issue only affected Windows hosts.

Maybe not: https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_crashes_restoration_tools/
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Re: microsoft outage
By: Tiny to Mro on Mon Jul 22 2024 06:20 am

Hi Mro,
On <Mon, 21 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

i just got off online chat and they said to ignore it.

See? Probably all a part of the amazon downtime and or
the whozitwhatzit upgrade thingie. ;)

oh i know it's because of it.

i just dont want to go through any more bs. i'm in the middle of moving
and already i'm having problems pop up.
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Re: microsoft outage
By: Ogg to Glum on Mon Jul 22 2024 08:34 am

You can argue how important the CS boot-start is, however the
reality is that it is *not* important enough to prevent booting
into the OS. Maybe it should revert to safe mode with CS
sandboxed or whatever, but life needs to continue so that the
issue can be addressed. MS handling of this fault most
certainly is *not* optimal. CS is only one of many "important"
services in these systems.

apparently it is important because it's being used so widely.

you cant expect microsoft to do all the thinking for everyone. it doesn't get that much money from clients.

what needs to be done is they need to find out if this was actually an attack by a bad actor. this update with zeros seems pretty fishy. and who approved it to be pushed?

if they did this again and then took out our powergrids (easy to do), north america could be easily invaded.
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Hi Mro,
On <Tue, 22 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

i just dont want to go through any more bs. i'm in the middle of
moving and already i'm having problems pop up.

Ugh. Moving sucks, I don't know anyone who likes that. Hope the
problems piss off and you can get moved smooth man. No one
deserves a bad move.



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Was this a test run for something bigger?

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Rixter wrote to MRO <=-

Was this a test run for something bigger?

So, do you just not understand how to quote some context from the
message you are replying to, or... do you just *choose* to not do it?



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Re: microsoft outage
By: Tiny to Mro on Tue Jul 23 2024 05:56 am

Hi Mro,
On <Tue, 22 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

i just dont want to go through any more bs. i'm in the middle of
moving and already i'm having problems pop up.

Ugh. Moving sucks, I don't know anyone who likes that. Hope the
problems piss off and you can get moved smooth man. No one
deserves a bad move.

looks like the uhaul place is going to be a pita already.
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Hi Mro,

looks like the uhaul place is going to be a pita already.

Get the extra insurance and be like Sienfield.


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Re: microsoft outage
By: Tiny to Mro on Wed Jul 24 2024 05:59 am

Hi Mro,

looks like the uhaul place is going to be a pita already.

Get the extra insurance and be like Sienfield.

they make you get insurance or they fine you to infinity if their piece of shit truck is damaged or if you have problems.
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Was this a test run for something bigger?

So, do you just not understand how to quote some context from the
message you are replying to, or... do you just *choose* to not do it?

In this case I am pretty sure he means the Crowdstrike issue.

I am not certain that it was a test run but I am sure it gave some bad
actors some bad ideas, if they didn't already have them.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Was this a test run for something bigger?

So, do you just not understand how to quote some context from the
message you are replying to, or... do you just *choose* to not do it?

In this case I am pretty sure he means the Crowdstrike issue.

Probably, yes. But.... well, you know.

I am not certain that it was a test run but I am sure it gave some bad actors some bad ideas, if they didn't already have them.

I'm sure that's true, and that's probably more damaging in the long term
than the actual impact just recently.



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Hi Mro,
On <Thu, 24 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

they make you get insurance or they fine you to infinity if their
piece of shit truck is damaged or if you have problems.

I remember years ago my Daughter was moving and asked me
to rent the truck and add someone else as the driver as I was
going to be out of town. She was so mad at me when I said
I would do it but she had to pay for the extra insurance.

Two days later she phoned me to let me know they returned
the truck and the other guy had in fact backed it into a tree.

That was the day she decided I wasn't a complete idiot and
thanked me for making her pay for insurance.

(At the time she didn't have a drivers license or credit card
which is why I had to rent it for them and add a secondary
driver)

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Re: microsoft outage
By: Tiny to Mro on Thu Jul 25 2024 06:59 am

Hi Mro,
On <Thu, 24 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

they make you get insurance or they fine you to infinity if their
piece of shit truck is damaged or if you have problems.

I remember years ago my Daughter was moving and asked me
to rent the truck and add someone else as the driver as I was
going to be out of town. She was so mad at me when I said
I would do it but she had to pay for the extra insurance.

Two days later she phoned me to let me know they returned
the truck and the other guy had in fact backed it into a tree.

That was the day she decided I wasn't a complete idiot and
thanked me for making her pay for insurance.

(At the time she didn't have a drivers license or credit card
which is why I had to rent it for them and add a secondary
driver)

well it's sort of a scam. rental cars and uhauls are already insured by the company. they then tack on extra fees and say you need to buy insurance.
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Re: microsoft outage
By: MRO to Tiny on Thu Jul 25 2024 07:22 am

well it's sort of a scam. rental cars and uhauls are already insured by the company. they then tack on extra fees and say you need to buy insurance.

That sucks, but then a lot of renters are scumbags themselves who deserve the distrust they get from the companies.

Here they tipically make you leave a deposit and pay in advance before you get the vehicle, but last times I have asked for a rental vehicle they just told me to not bother with the deposit because "it is not worth it with regular people." :-P


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Re: microsoft outage
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Jul 25 2024 03:51 pm

Re: microsoft outage
By: MRO to Tiny on Thu Jul 25 2024 07:22 am

well it's sort of a scam. rental cars and uhauls are already insured by the company. they then tack on extra fees and say you need to buy insurance.

That sucks, but then a lot of renters are scumbags themselves who deserve the distrust they get from the companies.

i dont think it's distrust. i just think it's a way to get more money.
most of uhaul's trucks are total garbage. i've had some that are barely road worthy.

Here they tipically make you leave a deposit and pay in advance before you get the vehicle, but last times I have asked for a rental vehicle they just told me to not bother with the deposit because "it is not worth it with regular people." :-P

how big is the deposit?
i'm already paying a LOT in rental fees.
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Tiny wrote to Mro <=-

Hi Mro,
On <Thu, 24 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

they make you get insurance or they fine you to infinity if their
piece of shit truck is damaged or if you have problems.

I drove a car in England this summer, first time driving on the
left-hand side. I bought the comprehensive insurance, and when I told
the agent it was my first time driving over there, he told me "if you
can get all of the bits and bobs to roll back here, it's all good..."




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Re: microsoft outage
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jul 25 2024 09:50 pm

how big is the deposit?
i'm already paying a LOT in rental fees.

Very low. I think around 300-500 EUR when renting a 14m¨ van.


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Re: microsoft outage
By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jul 27 2024 05:13 pm

Re: microsoft outage
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jul 25 2024 09:50 pm

how big is the deposit?
i'm already paying a LOT in rental fees.

Very low. I think around 300-500 EUR when renting a 14m­ van.

so since you say deposit, do they get it back?
or is that the rental cost.
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So, do you just not understand how to quote some context from the
message you are replying to, or... do you just *choose* to not do it?

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Re: microsoft outage
By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Jul 27 2024 06:49 pm

so since you say deposit, do they get it back?
or is that the rental cost.

Yes, you get it back, unless you damage the car or whatever (in which case damages get paid from the deposit).

I think it is no coincidence the deposit is about as much as the typical insurance franchise buffer.


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