• Re: morgan spurlock dead

    From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Sun May 26 04:11:00 2024
    On 25 May 2024, MRO said the following...

    i know i had a shitty education but my mother had me do workbooks at home for many years. I also read a lot. i graduated hs 2 years early. I
    didn't have anything to learn there. I tested out and got credits for some subjects.

    wish they offered me that.. i usually read the book for the class during the first week or two and then was basically done with the class interest-wise

    I just seemed ilke they couldn't figure out anything that worked. It was
    a different experience each time. I know i had TONS of homework and my son also had a lot. with stepdaugher they paired that down to a little bit.

    yeah ours was like that.. lots of homework. but back then the idea of messing around at school was skipping a few assignments and getting Bs or Cs in classes.

    now i don't think they're even allowed to hold kids back a grade. i have no idea what they do when that gets compounded.. 9th grade kids that shouldn't have passed 7th nor 8th grade. i surely wouldn't be proud as a teacher watching an example of self-inflicted stupidity walk across the stage for a diploma.

    I wish they would focus more on learning trades and getting them into technical college part time while in high school. They do have programs but they aren't utilized in a broad manner.

    almost every "problem" or "dumb" kid that signed up to replace regular highschool classes with welding, machining, car repair stuff, construction, all that .. basically this was like second-chance for kids who were doing bad at school and got into fights and shit before they would end up at the alternative school.. they all make bank and have nice houses and stuff now.

    feels like beating a dead horse to say not everyone sees success just with plain old high school.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Sun May 26 17:34:31 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: fusion to MRO on Sun May 26 2024 04:11 am

    On 25 May 2024, MRO said the following...

    i know i had a shitty education but my mother had me do workbooks at home for many years. I also read a lot. i graduated hs 2 years early. I
    didn't have anything to learn there. I tested out and got credits for some subjects.

    wish they offered me that.. i usually read the book for the class during the first week or two and then was basically done with the class interest-wise

    basically i was the guy that fucked it up for everybody. i would not do homework and then i'd just read up and pass the test with high score.
    That's when teachers started making it so the final exam's score wasn't such a large part of the grade.

    i think the program i was in bombed out. i could also take tech school courses for hs credits and it was paid for. well our taxes paid for it.

    now i don't think they're even allowed to hold kids back a grade. i have no idea what they do when that gets compounded.. 9th grade kids that shouldn't have passed 7th nor 8th grade. i surely wouldn't be proud as a teacher watching an example of self-inflicted stupidity walk across the stage for a diploma.

    no they can't hold them back anymore. i think they put them into remedial classes and let them progress until they graduate.

    right now they dont do much homework because the millenial teachers don't like grading it.
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  • From Mickey@VERT/CORSYNC to MRO on Sun May 26 19:55:44 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: MRO to blinx on Sat May 25 2024 23:52:16

    I wish they would focus more on learning trades and getting them into technical college part time while in high school. They do have programs but they aren't utilized in a broad manner.

    We are finally getting back to this type of training here in Canada. It was like this up until the 80's with most students getting a little carpentry, electrical, tool use and auto stuff but someone thought THAT was silly. Now we have hundreds of thousands of unemployed immigrants that need homes. NOW, carpenters and plumbers are needed.

    As the Fuc#@ng world turns.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mickey on Sun May 26 22:42:22 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Mickey to MRO on Sun May 26 2024 07:55 pm

    We are finally getting back to this type of training here in Canada. It was like this up until the 80's with most students getting a little carpentry, electrical, tool use and auto stuff but someone thought THAT was silly. Now we have hundreds of thousands of unemployed immigrants that need homes. NOW, carpenters and plumbers are needed.

    As the Fuc#@ng world turns.


    are they building a lot of expensive housing there too?
    that's what's happening in my state. Everything is so expensive and some people can't even afford to pay rent now without getting room mates.

    I see they have huge areas carved out for housing in affluent areas.
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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to MRO on Mon May 27 06:22:00 2024
    Quoting Mro to Mickey <=-

    that's what's happening in my state. Everything is so expensive and
    some people can't even afford to pay rent now without getting room
    mates.

    If we had to move we would need at least one more room mate possibly
    another couple where everyone worked.

    Well... We could live without room mates, but we'd have to give up things
    like our cars, trailer, food....

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Mon May 27 11:59:16 2024
    Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Tiny to MRO on Mon May 27 2024 06:22 am

    Quoting Mro to Mickey <=-

    that's what's happening in my state. Everything is so expensive and some people can't even afford to pay rent now without getting room mates.

    If we had to move we would need at least one more room mate possibly
    another couple where everyone worked.

    Well... We could live without room mates, but we'd have to give up things like our cars, trailer, food....


    I think what the powers that be are shooting for are live-work buildings.
    No need for a car. no need to leave. In some cases if you have a vehicle it's more expensive or you just can't keep it where you live. It's like you're in prison 24/7. I've been doordashing a little bit and i've already seen some of these places. They make it attractive but they are still cages.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to fusion on Mon May 27 14:02:21 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: fusion to MRO on Sun May 26 2024 04:11 am

    now i don't think they're even allowed to hold kids back a grade. i have no idea what they do when that gets compounded.. 9th grade kids that shouldn't

    If it works like in Spain, the solution is to let the trouble get worse while doing nothing.

    My cousin is social services worker and he told me they are just shoehorning people in the grade that corresponds to their ages with disregard to other characteristics. This ends up with war refugees and the like who are placed in advanced grades but don't know how to read and sometimes they don't talk the local language very well anyway.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Mon May 27 14:08:58 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun May 26 2024 05:34 pm

    right now they dont do much homework because the millenial teachers don't like grading it.

    I feel most homework was a waste of time.

    Technical Drwing was the worst. They'd tell you to do a bunch of exercises which used to be simple conceptually, but took a lot of time to accomplish. Imagine you have a Maths exam tomorrow and somebody today tasks you with unloading three trucks full of bricks. That was what homework came across as many times.

    College was different because half the times it was creative homework. Maybe they'd give you a bunch of papers describing something that had a problem and ask you to write a mini project for fixing it.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon May 27 12:50:00 2024
    yeah but kids dont know anything nowadays. They coast them through school.
    if they ar doing bad, they just pass them. I've seen it.
    There's young adults that don't even know what the trojan war was or anything about romans. they dont know simple geography oreven simple history facts we all know at 40+

    Society is raising npcs.

    I was talking to someone 8 years younger than me who graduated from a public high school and has a college degree (in journalism). They had no idea
    what "Kent State" or "Watergate" were.

    Their excuse was that they were younger than me and that those events
    didn't happen in their lifetime. I had to point out that one of them
    didn't happen in mine, either, and the other happened when I was too
    young to remember it.

    I could understand someone a lot younger not having a clue, but it
    surprised me a little that someone so close in age never learned about
    either of those events.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Mon May 27 12:52:00 2024
    Man I'm so surprised to see that Morgan Spurlock died of cancer yesterday.

    That doesn't ring a bell, either; but once I looked that up, I do
    remember stories about the guy living on McD's food for a month. Might
    be worth a watch.

    I wonder if that has any connection to his death?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Mon May 27 17:39:35 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Arelor to MRO on Mon May 27 2024 02:08 pm

    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun May 26 2024 05:34 pm

    right now they dont do much homework because the millenial teachers don't like grading it.

    I feel most homework was a waste of time.


    I think it is too. it was more like a punishment. Not only do children spend all their day in school, but then they have to do work for 2 hrs at home when they could be doing anything else. I had 2 teachers who both gave heavy homework. i'm sure they didn't communicate with eachother.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon May 27 17:45:37 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon May 27 2024 12:50 pm

    Their excuse was that they were younger than me and that those events
    didn't happen in their lifetime. I had to point out that one of them
    didn't happen in mine, either, and the other happened when I was too
    young to remember it.


    That's a good example. I have seen that excuse used several times.
    Knowledge of history is not about knowing pop culture.

    I work with a lot of 20-30 year olds. They don't really have much depth as a person, nor do they have knowledge of history. Some of them are like animals. they exist but there's barely nobody home. When you throw drugs into the mix, things get worse.

    I think there's a scarey amount of npc people that exist amongst us. They can put on clothing, eat and drive cars. They can reproduce. Not much else.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Mon May 27 20:18:00 2024
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Man I'm so surprised to see that Morgan Spurlock died of cancer yesterday.

    That doesn't ring a bell, either; but once I looked that up, I do
    remember stories about the guy living on McD's food for a month. Might
    be worth a watch.

    I wonder if that has any connection to his death?

    Heh, certainly a possibility I would think.



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  • From blinx@VERT/RETROVRS to MRO on Tue May 28 16:04:00 2024
    I think it is too. it was more like a punishment. Not only do children spend all their day in school, but then they have to do work for 2 hrs
    at home when they could be doing anything else. I had 2 teachers who

    Yep. I've raised this with the teachers for one of my kids. I explained that kids (and we're talking younger here) spend the day at school doing alot (whether it be educaitonal or fun / play / not maths, english, etc) - their brains are still developing and they get mentally tired.

    We do what we can - we help our kids with it as well. But if they are tired, its not worth the pain for both parents and kids. The teachers down here get it though..

    I think "old school" teachers don't.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to blinx on Tue May 28 01:39:16 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: blinx to MRO on Tue May 28 2024 04:04 pm

    for 2 hrs
    at home when they could be doing anything else. I had 2 teachers who

    Yep. I've raised this with the teachers for one of my kids. I explained that kids (and we're talking younger here) spend the day at school doing alot (whether it be educaitonal or fun / play / not maths, english, etc) - their brains are still developing and they get mentally tired.

    We do what we can - we help our kids with it as well. But if they are tired, its not worth the pain for both parents and kids. The teachers down here get it though..

    I think "old school" teachers don't.


    I know teaching is a very hard job. I have friends who were teachers and left it for various reasons. The pay and high cost of insurance was the reason for one of them, the children's behavior and lack of support for teachers was another.

    You'd have to be crazy to want to be a teacher.

    I feel like an armchair quarterback by talking badly about teachers, but from my end as a parent and someone who's raised multiple teachers I think i deserve to be heard. I've tried to talk it out but teachers aren't really responsive.

    I've spent many nights at the kitchen table helping the kids do their homework when it's late in the night. They should be winding down and relaxing. What usually ends up happening is I learned that their mind is too worn out at this point and I do the homework for them. It's not helping anybody at that point.

    When my son would get home i'd get food in his stomach and then we'd try to bang out the homework. again, that is a time when he should be resting and having some recreation. he's been at school for 8 hrs!

    So from what i've seen with my stepdaugher is they cut homework but then they are passing kids that arent prepared. you just cant win.
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  • From blinx@VERT/RETROVRS to MRO on Tue May 28 17:56:00 2024
    think i deserve to be heard. I've tried to talk it out but teachers aren't really responsive.

    I think thats a bit of a difference between US and Australia around the education system. There is alot of support for teachers, and they absolutely give back to the kids and the community through their work. There are also parents out there that just abuse th teachers as well. Its a bit pf a thankless job and there are some out there that just ruin it.

    I reckon one day we'll be in the same kind of position though. I don't know how alot of them do it.

    Also different sizes of population, literacy levels, demographics, etc. It makes it a very complex problem.


    When my son would get home i'd get food in his stomach and then we'd try to bang out the homework. again, that is a time when he should be

    We do similar - my son who is older, goes and does his home work (but thats high scholl). My daughter who is younger, we limit it to one day - actually one afternoon really.

    Back on topic (ish) ...I could do with a Big Mac ;)

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to MRO on Tue May 28 06:19:00 2024
    Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

    I think what the powers that be are shooting for are live-work
    buildings. No need for a car. no need to leave. In some cases if you

    That sounds horible. I thought a tech company tried this and it failed
    on them?

    you live. It's like you're in prison 24/7. I've been doordashing a little bit and i've already seen some of these places. They make it attractive but they are still cages.

    Not for me.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPTEST to MRO on Tue May 28 10:00:00 2024
    I think there's a scarey amount of npc people that exist amongst us. They can >put on clothing, eat and drive cars. They can reproduce. Not much else.

    And the 18+ year olds among them can vote.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tue May 28 07:28:00 2024
    Arelor wrote to MRO <=-

    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun May 26 2024 05:34 pm

    right now they dont do much homework because the millenial teachers don't like grading it.

    I feel most homework was a waste of time.

    My daughter is going into high school and is going to have a wake-up
    call. In middle school/junior high school (6th through 8th grades) they
    did all of their classwork in the class. I see some merit in that, as
    they're supervised and can get assistance if needed.

    Part of the progression in the American school system is getting kids
    aligned to multi-day projects, i.e. tasks that take more than one class
    session or one homework session. My son did that in 8th grade, getting
    the hang of multi-week projects that required planning and scheduling.

    My daughter is still in the "you do today's homework today, then you're
    done" mindset. I assume that's going to change next year.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Tue May 28 07:41:00 2024
    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    I could understand someone a lot younger not having a clue, but it surprised me a little that someone so close in age never learned about either of those events.

    I couldn't imagine any journalism major not watching "All the
    President's Men". Although "journalism" probably doesn't mean
    investigative journalism any more. I could imagine a marketing
    "influencer" thinking of themselves as a journalist.

    There's a great book called The "Dictionary of Cultral Literacy" that
    every young adult should have - it has a quick precis of events and
    items that people should know about and why they're important.

    From the description:

    In this fast-paced information age, how can Americans know what's really important and what's just a passing fashion? Now more than ever, we need
    a source that concisely sums up the knowledge that matters to Americans
    -- the people, places, ideas, and events that shape our cultural
    conversation. With more than six thousand entries,The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy is that invaluable source.
    Wireless technology. Gene therapy. NAFTA. In addition to the thousands
    of terms described in the original Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, here
    are more than five hundred new entries to bring Americans' bank of
    essential knowledge up to date. The original entries have been fully
    revised to reflect recent changes in world history and politics,
    American literature, and, especially, science and technology. Cultural
    icons that have stood the test of time (Odysseus, Leaves of Grass,
    Cleopatra, the Taj Mahal, D-Day) appear alongside entries on such varied concerns as cryptography, the digital divide, the European Union,
    Kwanzaa, pheromones, SPAM, Type A and Type B personalities, Web
    browsers, and much, much more.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tiny on Tue May 28 08:07:00 2024
    Tiny wrote to MRO <=-

    Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

    I think what the powers that be are shooting for are live-work
    buildings. No need for a car. no need to leave.

    That sounds horible. I thought a tech company tried this and it failed
    on them?

    Facebook has built a campus in Menlo Park with housing, dining,
    entertainment, and more. It was finished right before COVID and remote
    work, I'm not sure what happened to it.

    From my perspective, it seems like another means of extracting more
    work out of employees, and building an echo chamber of like minds -
    which isn't necessarily a good thing.

    They're also targeting recent college grads, who may have been
    comfortable in a social/college work environment where you worked and
    lived in the same environment without a sense of worktime/social time.
    Moving from that environment to a similar corporate environment would
    make it difficult to create separate work and social lives or work/life
    balance.

    And, what happens if/when you're laid off? I couldn't imagine losing your
    job and having to look for a place to rent at the same time. That's
    almost as bad as getting a grace period and living in the company of
    people you no longer work with.








    you live. It's like you're in prison 24/7. I've been doordashing a little bit and i've already seen some of these places. They make it attractive but they are still cages.

    Not for me.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to blinx on Tue May 28 12:09:48 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: blinx to MRO on Tue May 28 2024 05:56 pm

    high scholl). My daughter who is younger, we limit it to one day - actually one afternoon really.

    Back on topic (ish) ...I could do with a Big Mac ;)

    yeah this is dovenet where threads drift off from the subject. usually i change the subjectline.

    do you guys have the mcdonalds app over there? in the usa you can really cut costs with it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Tue May 28 12:11:07 2024
    Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Tiny to MRO on Tue May 28 2024 06:19 am

    Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-

    I think what the powers that be are shooting for are live-work buildings. No need for a car. no need to leave. In some cases if you

    That sounds horible. I thought a tech company tried this and it failed
    on them?

    Maybe one did and failed. I know they have them in other countries.

    the one i saw over here had a grocery store, shopping, movie theater, housing and businesses all in one.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tue May 28 12:23:50 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue May 28 2024 10:00 am

    I think there's a scarey amount of npc people that exist amongst us. They can >put on clothing, eat and drive cars. They can reproduce. Not much else.

    And the 18+ year olds among them can vote.


    we also had a discussion at my job a while back about how people do not speak up. we had some people that were trained by a poor trainer. despite this they all gave great scores on their training and didn't speak up.

    the girl that gave it a 7 out of 5 was put on the floor. she immediately said she didn't know anything and didn't know what to do.

    Young people just don't want to upset people or stand out. They are afraid of going against the grain.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Wed May 29 04:52:05 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Tue May 28 2024 12:23 pm

    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue May 28 2024 10:00 am

    I think there's a scarey amount of npc people that exist amongst us. They can >put on clothing, eat and drive cars. They can reproduce. Not much else.

    And the 18+ year olds among them can vote.


    we also had a discussion at my job a while back about how people do not speak up. we had some people that were trained by a poor trainer. despite this they all gave great scores on their training and didn't speak up.

    the girl that gave it a 7 out of 5 was put on the floor. she immediately said she didn't know anything and didn't know what to do.

    Young people just don't want to upset people or stand out. They are afraid of going against the grain.

    There is a reason for that. It is pure game theory.

    Already in my generation, in school, the cult of mediocrity was getting established. If you were a good student you made the other students look bad, so people disliked you. If you pointed out at problems that needing fixing, you were bad news, because now they had to go and fix it, and people disliked you even more.

    Compound this over a few decades and what you have is people who has learnt that trying to do the right thing will get them scorned, ridiculed and mocked at best by their peers.

    I only see people enjoying being productive when they have no peers on their same level and they have bosses who don't go bonkers when a problem is pointed out for them. Or when they are their own bosses.


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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 29 06:20:00 2024
    Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-

    entertainment, and more. It was finished right before COVID and
    remote work, I'm not sure what happened to it.

    Knowing meta they made people come back to it. ;)

    And, what happens if/when you're laid off? I couldn't imagine losing
    your job and having to look for a place to rent at the same time.

    This is a nightmare to be sure.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPTEST to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 29 07:55:00 2024
    I could understand someone a lot younger not having a clue, but it surprised me a little that someone so close in age never learned about either of those events.

    I couldn't imagine any journalism major not watching "All the
    President's Men". Although "journalism" probably doesn't mean
    investigative journalism any more. I could imagine a marketing
    "influencer" thinking of themselves as a journalist.

    They graduated college in 2000, long before "influencer" was a thing. :)
    IIRC, their precise major was photo journalism, so maybe they only had to
    learn how to take the pictures that tell the story and not about anything historical.

    We watched that movie in high school. They went to a different high
    school, but in a district where the schools are usually better. History
    was something I was always interested in and I would seek out opportunities
    to learn about it. Maybe they were not as interested or inclined.

    Still I was shocked they didn't know about either event.


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  • From Djatropine@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mickey on Sun Jun 2 02:35:01 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Mickey to MRO on Sun May 26 2024 07:55 pm



    Carpentry skillss needed in Canada? Why would Canada have trouble finding folks who work in construction ?


    What about brick laying? & What is the pay & job security like?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Djatropine on Sun Jun 2 14:14:42 2024
    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Djatropine to Mickey on Sun Jun 02 2024 02:35 am

    Re: Re: morgan spurlock dead
    By: Mickey to MRO on Sun May 26 2024 07:55 pm



    Carpentry skillss needed in Canada? Why would Canada have trouble finding folks who work in construction ?


    What about brick laying? & What is the pay & job security like?

    hey please quote.

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