• Batch Files as a Timed Event

    From Tim Whitson@VERT/FQBBS to All on Sat Feb 19 21:31:57 2022
    I have a NIGHT.BAT file that runs all the maintenance files for the door games. I have noticed it is not running under the timed events. If I execute it manually but double clicking on it, it runs just fine. If I tell it to run under a Forced Time Event, it does not run. It returns with a 255 code. Any ideas?

    Tim

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 11:47:07 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Tim Whitson to All on Sat Feb 19 2022 09:31 pm

    I have a NIGHT.BAT file that runs all the maintenance files for the door games. I have noticed it is not running under the timed events. If I execute it manually but double clicking on it, it runs just fine. If I tell it to run under a Forced Time Event, it does not run. It returns with a 255 code. Any ideas?

    Past your configuration for it (from SCFG) here and we'll have a look-see.
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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to Digital Man on Sun Feb 20 13:39:05 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Digital Man to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 11:47 am

    Past your configuration for it (from SCFG) here and we'll have a look-see.

    Internal Code NIGHTLY
    Start-up Directory c:\sbbs\xtrn
    Command Line night.bat
    Enabled Yes
    Execution Node Any
    Execution Months Any
    Execution Days of Month Any
    Execution Days of Week All
    Execution Time 00:00
    Requires Exclusive Execution No
    Force Users Off-line for Event No
    Native Executable/Script No
    Use Shell or New Context Yes
    Background Execution No
    Always run After Init/Re-init No
    Error Log Level Informational

    The batch file does work. I just need it to run sometime early after midnight.

    Thank you,

    Tim
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 15:09:30 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Tim Whitson to Digital Man on Sun Feb 20 2022 01:39 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Digital Man to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 11:47 am

    Past your configuration for it (from SCFG) here and we'll have a look-see.

    Internal Code NIGHTLY
    Start-up Directory c:\sbbs\xtrn
    Command Line night.bat
    Enabled Yes
    Execution Node Any
    Execution Months Any
    Execution Days of Month Any
    Execution Days of Week All
    Execution Time 00:00
    Requires Exclusive Execution No
    Force Users Off-line for Event No
    Native Executable/Script No
    Try setting this ^^^ To "Yes"

    Use Shell or New Context Yes
    Background Execution No
    Always run After Init/Re-init No
    Error Log Level Informational

    The batch file does work. I just need it to run sometime early after midnight.

    And the batch file is in fact in your "xtrn" directory?
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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to Digital Man on Sun Feb 20 17:16:51 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Digital Man to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 03:09 pm

    Native Executable/Script No
    Try setting this ^^^ To "Yes"


    That worked, I am sure I tried it once in desperation. I looked back on my old versions, I keep regular backups, and the only thing I noted was I assigned a execution Node (1) in the early versions. I did that along with changing the above setting to "yes". The batch file runs now when forced. I'll see what it does at midnight.

    Thank you again!

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 17:47:45 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Tim Whitson to Digital Man on Sun Feb 20 2022 05:16 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Event
    By: Digital Man to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 03:09 pm

    Native Executable/Script No
    Try setting this ^^^ To "Yes"


    That worked, I am sure I tried it once in desperation. I looked back on my old versions, I keep regular backups, and the only thing I noted was I assigned a execution Node (1) in the early versions. I did that along with changing the above setting to "yes". The batch file runs now when forced. I'll see what it does at midnight.

    Thank you again!

    No problem.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 20:14:00 2022
    Tim,

    I have a NIGHT.BAT file that runs all the maintenance files for the
    door games. I have noticed it is not running under the timed events.
    If I execute it manually but double clicking on it, it runs just fine.
    If I tell it to run under a Forced Time Event, it does not run. It returns with a 255 code. Any ideas?

    I had a similar issue. If you run it as an exclusive event to force
    users offline, for the nodes, instead of ANY, set it to 1. It will
    take node 1 down, and "busy out" the other nodes" for the nightly
    maintenance to run.

    Daryl

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 21 01:57:13 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Daryl Stout to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 08:14 pm

    Tim,

    I have a NIGHT.BAT file that runs all the maintenance files for the door games. I have noticed it is not running under the timed events.
    If I execute it manually but double clicking on it, it runs just fine. If I tell it to run under a Forced Time Event, it does not run. It returns with a 255 code. Any ideas?

    I had a similar issue. If you run it as an exclusive event to force
    users offline, for the nodes, instead of ANY, set it to 1. It will
    take node 1 down, and "busy out" the other nodes" for the nightly maintenance to run.

    Daryl

    why would you ever want to take a user offline to run stupid maint?
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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 21 07:41:13 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Daryl Stout to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 08:14 pm

    I had a similar issue. If you run it as an exclusive event to force
    users offline, for the nodes, instead of ANY, set it to 1. It will
    take node 1 down, and "busy out" the other nodes" for the nightly maintenance to run.

    I think the Node1 was the key. Thanks for the help.

    Tim
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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to MRO on Mon Feb 21 13:54:52 2022
    El 21/2/22 a las 04:57, MRO escribi:
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Daryl Stout to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 08:14 pm

    > Tim,
    >
    > TW> I have a NIGHT.BAT file that runs all the maintenance files for the
    > TW> door games. I have noticed it is not running under the timed events.
    > TW> If I execute it manually but double clicking on it, it runs just fine.
    > TW> If I tell it to run under a Forced Time Event, it does not run. It
    > TW> returns with a 255 code. Any ideas?
    >
    > I had a similar issue. If you run it as an exclusive event to force
    > users offline, for the nodes, instead of ANY, set it to 1. It will
    > take node 1 down, and "busy out" the other nodes" for the nightly
    > maintenance to run.
    >
    > Daryl

    why would you ever want to take a user offline to run stupid maint?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tim Whitson on Mon Feb 21 16:08:58 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 21 2022 07:41 am

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Daryl Stout to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 08:14 pm

    I had a similar issue. If you run it as an exclusive event to force users offline, for the nodes, instead of ANY, set it to 1. It will
    take node 1 down, and "busy out" the other nodes" for the nightly maintenance to run.

    I think the Node1 was the key. Thanks for the help.

    I think "Native" was the key. A "Node" value of "Any" works fine.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tim Whitson on Mon Feb 21 18:18:48 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 21 2022 07:41 am

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Daryl Stout to Tim Whitson on Sun Feb 20 2022 08:14 pm

    I had a similar issue. If you run it as an exclusive event to force users offline, for the nodes, instead of ANY, set it to 1. It will
    take node 1 down, and "busy out" the other nodes" for the nightly maintenance to run.

    I think the Node1 was the key. Thanks for the help.

    Tim

    no, you two guys just set it up wrong.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ragnarok on Mon Feb 21 18:19:27 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Ragnarok to MRO on Mon Feb 21 2022 01:54 pm

    why would you ever want to take a user offline to run stupid maint?
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    Its remember me to the major bbs "cleanup" event, its take down thebbs
    to run, then restart it.


    clean up what? there's nothing to clean up
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Feb 21 18:59:08 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 21 2022 01:57 am

    why would you ever want to take a user offline to run stupid maint?

    I don't think you'd want a user to happen to run a door game while that door's maintenance program is running, for instance. Things like that might cause some issues.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 01:00:25 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:59 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Daryl Stout on Mon Feb 21 2022 01:57 am

    why would you ever want to take a user offline to run stupid maint?

    I don't think you'd want a user to happen to run a door game while that door's maintenance program is running, for instance. Things like that might cause some issues.

    when would that happen.
    we dont have users anymore.

    and most doors will run the maint and then let the user in.
    also you can easily create a flag file, have it check, run the maint and let the user in.

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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT/FQBBS to MRO on Tue Feb 22 07:19:08 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:18 pm

    no, you two guys just set it up wrong.

    I'll bite, what is the correct set up?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 15:00:03 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 07:19 am

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:18 pm

    no, you two guys just set it up wrong.

    I'll bite, what is the correct set up?

    aren't you reading the message thread?
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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to MRO on Tue Feb 22 14:03:06 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 2022 03:00 pm

    aren't you reading the message thread?

    I don't agree with some points and no real workable solutions came from the thread, (after Rob's suggestion). I do have people that log on and play games.
    Some games do not run a maintenance file when the first player of the day logs on. I would think it's best that no one was playing the game when nightly maintenance is ran. I have several dozen games that require maintenance, so I run the nightly maintenance batch file after midnight. I've been using the same
    basic format since my RemoteAccess BBS in the 90's. It works (now) but after your comments I figured you'd have an enlightened way to do it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 14:46:13 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:03 pm

    the thread, (after Rob's suggestion). I do have people that log on and play games. Some games do not run a maintenance file when the first player of the day logs on. I would think it's best that no one was playing the game when nightly maintenance is ran. I have several dozen games that require maintenance, so I run the nightly maintenance batch file after midnight. I've been using the same basic format since my RemoteAccess BBS in the 90's.

    I've been doing the same thing. I think actually few doors run their maintenance when the first player of the day runs the door. Most door games I've had experience with have a daily maintenance program that needs to be run once a day, which I have as part of a batch file that I have my BBS run around midnight.

    I also ran RemoteAccess in the 90s, and I had it exit with an errorlevel to run maintenance every night at midnight.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 16:50:43 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:03 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 2022 03:00 pm

    aren't you reading the message thread?

    I don't agree with some points and no real workable solutions came from the thread, (after Rob's suggestion). I do have people that log on and play games. Some games do not run a maintenance file when the first player of the day logs on. I would think it's best that no one was playing the game when nightly maintenance is ran. I have several dozen games that require maintenance, so I run the nightly maintenance batch file after midnight. I've been using the same basic format since my RemoteAccess BBS in the 90's. It works (now) but after your comments I figured you'd have an enlightened way to do it.


    rob told you both how to run the maint in scfg. if you follow those instructions, it will launch correctly.

    that is your real workable solution.

    regarding you thought i'd have an elightened way to do it, i mentioned that you can create a file flag for it and run the maint if needed.

    you can have the date in the flag file filename, have it search for it and if it doesn't exist, run the maint and then enter the doorgame.
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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to MRO on Tue Feb 22 21:38:28 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 2022 04:50 pm

    rob told you both how to run the maint in scfg. if you follow those instructions, it will launch correctly.

    I do run it from scfg. If you'd read the thread you'd see that. It use to run just fine but then it stopped. I could not figure out why. After trying a lot of settings I put the word out. Isn't that what this is supposed to be, a community that helps each other after all? Rob helped and now it works as it use to under a timed event at midnight.

    Thanks for all your input.

    Tim
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Feb 22 23:32:47 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Nightfox to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 2022 02:46 pm

    I've been doing the same thing. I think actually few doors run their maintenance when the first player of the day runs the door. Most door games I've had experience with have a daily maintenance program that needs to be run once a day, which I have as part of a batch file that I have my BBS run around midnight.

    I also ran RemoteAccess in the 90s, and I had it exit with an errorlevel to run maintenance every night at midnight.


    the good ones run maint if it hasn't been ran.

    like i said, you can just do a batchfile to check a flag and run the maint.

    regarding daryl and this guy, they just setup their event wrong and don't understand that after DM told them.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 13:36:00 2022
    Tim,

    I think the Node1 was the key. Thanks for the help.

    I had the same problem...glad it was a simple fix.

    Daryl

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 23:53:20 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 09:38 pm


    rob told you both how to run the maint in scfg. if you follow those instructions, it will launch correctly.

    I do run it from scfg.

    JFC

    If you'd read the thread you'd see that. It use to
    I do run it from scfg. If you'd read the thread you'd see that. It use to run just fine but then it stopped. I could not figure out why. After trying a lot of settings I put the word out. Isn't that what this is supposed to be, a community that helps each other after all? Rob helped and now it works as it use to under a timed event at midnight.

    like i said you set it up wrong and that's why it didn't work.
    you dont seem to understand that with your replies to me

    you also asked how to do it another way and i told you how.

    Thanks for all your input.

    i dont think you understand anything.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tue Feb 22 22:18:02 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 2022 11:53 pm

    Thanks for all your input.

    i dont think you understand anything.

    I think he now understands that you're an asshole. <shrug>
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Wed Feb 23 03:20:32 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 10:18 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Tue Feb 22 2022 11:53 pm

    Thanks for all your input.

    i dont think you understand anything.

    I think he now understands that you're an asshole. <shrug>
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to MRO on Wed Feb 23 07:12:23 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Feb 23 2022 03:20 am

    well maybe his reading comprehension has improved due to me being an asshole. ---

    The guy has a working solution. Whether or not it is elegant doesn't seem to concern him, probably because this is a hobby for people, at best.

    So really you're just screaming into a void.


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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to MRO on Wed Feb 23 22:06:17 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Feb 23 2022 03:20 am

    well maybe his reading comprehension has improved due to me being an asshole

    I was done with the thread, I thought Rob summed it up greatly. I don't think you understand the thread and the fact my issue was fixed after Rob's first suggestion. I have around 30 or so games that have to have an external maintenance program that needs to be ran everyday. Having some check system as you suggested would be extremely burdensome. Pausing calls and running the maintenance program is the best option, just like the old days. Asshole comments never really help anyone. I have extra TP if you need it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tim Whitson on Thu Feb 24 06:25:50 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Wed Feb 23 2022 10:06 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Feb 23 2022 03:20 am

    well maybe his reading comprehension has improved due to me being an asshole

    I was done with the thread, I thought Rob summed it up greatly. I don't think you understand the thread and the fact my issue was fixed after Rob's first suggestion. I have around 30 or so games that have to have an


    you and daryl couldn't catch on to what the issue was and how to fix it even though digitalman told you.

    you still claimed it was because of node 1.


    and now i will waste my time by showing you what you wrote. https://i.imgur.com/SIS0C8e.png
    https://i.imgur.com/sDP2xdX.png

    here is the blind leading the blind
    https://i.imgur.com/LAPKWu3.png

    here is rob telling you native was the key and node doesn't matter https://i.imgur.com/ACXtyFq.png
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  • From Tristan Greaves@VERT to MRO on Thu Feb 24 13:37:46 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Tim Whitson on Thu Feb 24 2022 06:25 am


    I was done with the thread, I thought Rob summed it up greatly. I don't
    think you understand the thread and the fact my issue was fixed after Rob's
    first suggestion. I have around 30 or so games that have to have an

    you and daryl couldn't catch on to what the issue was and how to fix it even though digitalman told you.

    You are coming across as really toxic on this thread and your recent contributions are non-helpful.

    I realise my post is not contributing to the knowledge either, but it's important for you to hear from a third party how you are coming across to others here.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 08:06:03 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tristan Greaves to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:37 pm

    You are coming across as really toxic on this thread and your recent contributions are non-helpful.

    i actually provided helpful information that he asked for.
    he ignored it.
    He even said the developer was not helpful and was still looking for a solution.
    then he did what the developer said [or maybe he didn't even do that] and thought that running it on node one worked.

    and then he asked me if there was another way and i told him about using a flag file method to launch maint.

    you apparently can't read either.

    I realise my post is not contributing to the knowledge either, but it's important for you to hear from a third party how you are coming across to others here.

    i couldn't care less about your feelings.
    i don't suffer fools.


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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 09:04:07 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tristan Greaves to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:37 pm

    I realise my post is not contributing to the knowledge either, but it's important for you to hear from a third party how you are coming across to others here.

    I don't really know MRO, but when people (to some extent including myself) talk about him when he's not present, the general consensus is that:

    - he's a dick
    - he's knows he's a dick
    - there's no point engaging with him because you'll never change him

    <shrug>

    - Andre

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  • From DesotoFireflite@VERT/VALHALLA to Andre on Thu Feb 24 11:29:24 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Andre to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:04 am

    I don't really know MRO, but when people (to some extent including myself) talk about him when he's not present, the general consensus is that:

    - he's a dick
    - he's knows he's a dick
    - there's no point engaging with him because you'll never change him

    Allthough MRO may have his faults, he has been a tremdious help to me over the years with synchronet. I haven't used his help in the last few years, as I am more knowledgable about this software, I do thank him for all of his help, as a lot of the baja code I use, he taught me to explore and enhance, and never settle. Yes, he has made me stop and think at times with his comments, I still value his thoughts, however harsh they are at times. The key is to know when to reply or ignore...

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 10:42:00 2022
    Tristan Greaves wrote to MRO <=-

    I was done with the thread, I thought Rob summed it up greatly. I don't
    think you understand the thread and the fact my issue was fixed after Rob's
    first suggestion. I have around 30 or so games that have to have an

    you and daryl couldn't catch on to what the issue was and how to fix it
    eve
    n though digitalman told you.

    You are coming across as really toxic on this thread and your
    recent contributions are non-helpful.

    I hate to say it, and trust me, I'm no "MRO fan".... but in this case,
    he's right. Read the whole thread carefully and you can see that.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 09:05:37 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tristan Greaves to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:37 pm

    you and daryl couldn't catch on to what the issue was and how to fix
    it even though digitalman told you.

    You are coming across as really toxic on this thread and your recent contributions are non-helpful.

    I realise my post is not contributing to the knowledge either, but it's important for you to hear from a third party how you are coming across to others here.

    MRO tends to be toxic sometimes. :/

    Nightfox

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to DesotoFireflite on Thu Feb 24 13:02:33 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: DesotoFireflite to Andre on Thu Feb 24 2022 11:29 am

    Allthough MRO may have his faults, he has been a tremdious help to me over the years with synchronet. I haven't used his help in the last few years,

    There's a reason a lot of companies and leaders have a "no assholes" rule for hiring. All the help in the world isn't very useful if they run everyone off and make people avoid the message boards, or in the worst case, not want to contribute to BBSing in general.


    - Andre

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  • From Gamgee@VERT to Andre on Thu Feb 24 19:02:00 2022
    Andre wrote to DesotoFireflite <=-

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: DesotoFireflite to Andre on Thu Feb 24 2022 11:29 am

    Allthough MRO may have his faults, he has been a tremdious help to me over the years with synchronet. I haven't used his help in the last few years,

    There's a reason a lot of companies and leaders have a "no
    assholes" rule for hiring.

    Really? Do you think they'd know a person was an asshole based on a 20 minute interview where the person would naturally be on their best behavior in order to
    get the job? I think that's a stretch.

    All the help in the world isn't very
    useful if they run everyone off and make people avoid the message
    boards, or in the worst case, not want to contribute to BBSing in
    general.

    While that may be (sort of) true, it's mostly projection/speculation, and doesn't really apply to the case at hand. While I would agree that MRO is generally an asshole, he was actually right in this thread.



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Gamgee on Thu Feb 24 18:41:46 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Gamgee to Andre on Thu Feb 24 2022 07:02 pm

    Andre wrote to DesotoFireflite <=-

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: DesotoFireflite to Andre on Thu Feb 24 2022 11:29 am

    Allthough MRO may have his faults, he has been a tremdious help to me over the years with synchronet. I haven't used his help in the last few years,

    There's a reason a lot of companies and leaders have a "no
    assholes" rule for hiring.

    Really? Do you think they'd know a person was an asshole based on a 20 minute interview where the person would naturally be on their best behavior in order to
    get the job? I think that's a stretch.

    I interview a lot of people at work - you'd be surprised what you can glean from interviews where yes, you'd expect a person would be on their *best* behavior.

    All the help in the world isn't very
    useful if they run everyone off and make people avoid the message boards, or in the worst case, not want to contribute to BBSing in general.

    While that may be (sort of) true, it's mostly projection/speculation, and doesn't really apply to the case at hand. While I would agree that MRO is generally an asshole, he was actually right in this thread.

    Actually, I don't think MRO added any technical value to the discussion whatsoever. <shrug>
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 21:08:01 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Nightfox to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:05 am

    to others here.

    MRO tends to be toxic sometimes. :/


    i wasnt even that bad.
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  • From Tim Whitson@VERT to MRO on Thu Feb 24 21:49:46 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:08 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Nightfox to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:05 am

    to others here.

    MRO tends to be toxic sometimes. :/


    i wasnt even that bad.

    I think I now have PTSD, I'll never run another batch file again...
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tim Whitson on Fri Feb 25 02:12:37 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:49 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:08 pm

    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Nightfox to Tristan Greaves on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:05 am

    to others here.

    MRO tends to be toxic sometimes. :/


    i wasnt even that bad.

    I think I now have PTSD, I'll never run another batch file again...

    the ironic thing is you got the problem wrong again.
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Gamgee on Fri Feb 25 02:03:25 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Gamgee to Andre on Thu Feb 24 2022 07:02 pm

    Really? Do you think they'd know a person was an asshole based on a 20 minute interview where the person would naturally be on their best behavior in order to get the job? I think that's a stretch.

    I've hired a lot of people and interviewed so many people I've lost count. The only odd personality that we missed was a weeb. And it's not necessarily that you're screening out the assholes directly. They get tossed out without anyone else who's arrogant about their ability.

    And it's not just hiring. Those people get fired. Those people get lower bonuses and raises. I know, because I do those things.

    While that may be (sort of) true, it's mostly projection/speculation, and doesn't really apply to the case at hand.

    If you lead enough teams of people, either at work or in other parts of life, you learn quickly how fast people leave because of a toxic person. I've lost great employees because of it. And I've struggled to increase membership at clubs because of it... new people don't last more than a few meetings because of a bunch of morons that can't stop working politics into every discussion.

    So no, I don't have hard data about BBS networks. I have a ton of personal experience that says it's probably been a problem here for years.

    While I would agree that MRO is generally an asshole, he was actually right in this thread.

    The poster has a working solution. So there are multiple right solutions, maybe one being better than the other. One of those right solutions the poster walked away happy and had a good experience with the community. The other right solution had the person walk away feeling like the community is painful to be around.

    Beyond that MRO and some of the others are a wider problem. MRO can't go a single post without being offensive. People who wear being an asshole as a badge of honor don't like when everyone else talks out loud about what an asshole they are. But he's far from the only problem person... The guys cursing each other out in General about Trump/Biden aren't much better.


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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Tim Whitson on Fri Feb 25 02:21:36 2022
    Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tim Whitson to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 09:49 pm

    i wasnt even that bad.

    I think I now have PTSD, I'll never run another batch file again...

    It's not just about you versus MRO. It's about the rest of us, new people checking about BBSes, others less active people who sit on the sidelines.

    This sort of thing and the behavior in other sub-boards turns people away. Even the discussion about Star Wars and LOTR has now turned into trans, black elves, and drag queen story time (by MRO referencing buttplugs, of course).


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  • From Tristan Greaves@VERT to Digital Man on Fri Feb 25 09:42:04 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Thu Feb 24 2022 06:41 pm

    I interview a lot of people at work - you'd be surprised what you can glean from interviews where yes, you'd expect a person
    would be on their *best* behavior.

    100% agree with this. I also heavily interview.

    It's surprising, but it happens, but people really do 'throw themselves under the bus' sometimes when giving answers which reveal their true character traits...
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tristan Greaves on Fri Feb 25 09:50:38 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Tristan Greaves to Digital Man on Fri Feb 25 2022 09:42 am

    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Thu Feb 24 2022 06:41 pm

    I interview a lot of people at work - you'd be surprised what you

    can
    glean from interviews where yes, you'd expect a person
    would be on their *best* behavior.

    100% agree with this. I also heavily interview.

    It's surprising, but it happens, but people really do 'throw themselves under the bus' sometimes when giving answers which reveal their true character traits...

    i've found that at interviews what they don't say can say much more.
    and interviews are a two way street. some people don't realize this.


    I interviewed at a place where nobody was a fit in their current job and they couldn't keep people. They acted like everything was perfectly normal. if i were to ask them why people don't stay they'd say they don't know. the answer is the place was falling apart. They mentioned how there was a lot of opportunity. yeah i bet! so many people leave you can fill in for them along with your current job.

    I couldn't wait to get out of there. It was a huge waste of my time and i sacrificed my sleep and time to go to that sham of an interview.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andre on Fri Feb 25 07:29:00 2022
    Andre wrote to DesotoFireflite <=-

    There's a reason a lot of companies and leaders have a "no assholes"
    rule for hiring. All the help in the world isn't very useful if they
    run everyone off and make people avoid the message boards, or in the
    worst case, not want to contribute to BBSing in general.

    I worked in one company, for a period of time, where IT management and HR hired cool smart people that got along well. One of my friends, who was a
    BBS caller of mine was leaving to go back to school, and urged me to apply there.

    I went through the interview process, and they ended up making a position
    for me based on my skills, not looking much like the position I applied for. We ran a production e-commerce site with 8 people supporting everything, and it just *worked*.

    We'd hired a systems architect, and I approved his hire based on the role.
    The manager who built the IT department left to go work for the parent company, and instead of hiring someone new they promoted the architect - who no one had vetted as a people manager.

    Within 3 months, he'd brought in a crony friend of his and his hires ended
    up not blending in with the rest of the department. It had all changed by
    the time I ended up following my old manager to the parent company.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andre on Fri Feb 25 07:35:00 2022
    Andre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I've hired a lot of people and interviewed so many people I've lost
    count. The only odd personality that we missed was a weeb.

    Thank you for my new word of the week.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andre on Fri Feb 25 07:35:00 2022
    Andre wrote to Tim Whitson <=-

    This sort of thing and the behavior in other sub-boards turns people
    away. Even the discussion about Star Wars and LOTR has now turned into trans, black elves, and drag queen story time (by MRO referencing buttplugs, of course).

    I was thinking that it was time to take him out of my killfile. Maybe not.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tristan Greaves on Fri Feb 25 07:37:00 2022
    Tristan Greaves wrote to Digital Man <=-

    from interviews where yes, you'd expect a person
    would be on their *best* behavior.

    100% agree with this. I also heavily interview.

    It's surprising, but it happens, but people really do 'throw themselves under the bus' sometimes when giving answers which reveal their true character traits...


    "I'M A PEOPLE PERSON!!!"

    or

    "Where would you like to be in 5 years?"

    "Well, I'd have to say listening was my biggest weakness..."


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 27 11:32:29 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tristan Greaves on Fri Feb 25 2022 07:37 am

    Tristan Greaves wrote to Digital Man <=-

    from interviews where yes, you'd expect a person
    would be on their *best* behavior.

    100% agree with this. I also heavily interview.

    It's surprising, but it happens, but people really do 'throw themselves under the bus' sometimes when giving answers which reveal their true character traits...


    "I'M A PEOPLE PERSON!!!"

    or

    "Where would you like to be in 5 years?"

    celebrating the 5 year anniversary of you asking me this question


    "Well, I'd have to say listening was my biggest weakness..."


    my biggest weakness is I care too much.


    i hate stupid interview questions. just shows how stupid the interviewer is.
    i can't respect someone with moronic interview questions.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 27 11:33:00 2022
    Re: Re: Batch Files as a Timed Ev
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tristan Greaves on Fri Feb 25 2022 07:37 am

    Tristan Greaves wrote to Digital Man <=-

    from interviews where yes, you'd expect a person
    would be on their *best* behavior.

    100% agree with this. I also heavily interview.

    It's surprising, but it happens, but people really do 'throw themselves under the bus' sometimes when giving answers which reveal their true character traits...


    "I'M A PEOPLE PERSON!!!"

    or

    "Where would you like to be in 5 years?"

    "Well, I'd have to say listening was my biggest weakness..."




    by the way, just pointing out this is not synchronet related...
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