Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I think availability of charging stations is an issue too. It seems
they aren't really ubiquitous. I've only seen them available at some store parking lots here and there, and even then, there may be only 5
of them or something.

I heard people I normally like on a podcast talking about how gas
stations will become charging stations. That's well and good, but the
time to charge is the determining factor.



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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

That, of course, ruins the idea of going somewhere that a lot of folks cannot afford, hanging out with important people, and just generally showing off.

I suppose heads of state don't do it for the swag like I used to.



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Phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If not more so! They really only want to sell to you if you are
financing.

I bought a lease return from a dealer a couple of years ago. Kudos to
them for not marking their cars up, but if you paid with any kind of
check they put a 10-day hold on the car for the check to clear.

If you financed the car, they'd let the car go that day.

I've thought about buying a car through them, but I'd finance it and pay
it out in 30 days. Negotiate hard on the price, as they're more willing
to do when financing.



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Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a
newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

They're fun to drive - mechanics assumption is that they won't last as
long as a Toyota or Honda, but are good for 100K or so.

That being said, I have a 2011 CX-9 with 140K and it's doing fine -
bought it at 105K and replaced fluids and brakes. No repairs yet. It's
huge, but fast and fun to drive.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 17 2023 08:44 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

The Mazda III is a great car for the price. You'll be driving it forever. Just keep up with the oil changes, brakes, tires and like my son, you'll be still driving it 20 years from now.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2023 07:24 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a
newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

They're fun to drive - mechanics assumption is that they won't last as long as a Toyota or Honda, but are good for 100K or so.

That being said, I have a 2011 CX-9 with 140K and it's doing fine -
bought it at 105K and replaced fluids and brakes. No repairs yet. It's huge, but fast and fun to drive.

100k actually sounds to me like a short lifespan for a car.. I often hear of cars (especially the reliable brands) going farther than that, and I thought I'd heard Mazda was up there as one of the more reliable brands.

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I don't see how things will work in future if the future for the EV is not some sort of hybrid. Some areas of our country are pretty spread out, so trying to get from place to place without some way to make your own electric would not be practical.

I think the issue isn't range, as electric range has grown significantly
over the years. Charging time is the issue, and that's primarily an
issue of physics.

With that range, the price has gone way up, and I am not sure that
reliability has kept pace with the price.


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That, of course, ruins the idea of going somewhere that a lot of folks cannot afford, hanging out with important people, and just generally showing off.

I suppose heads of state don't do it for the swag like I used to.

I am sure there are spoils to be had, too, but I do doubt they do it for
the same kind of swag that most of us non-politicians would be after...
free pens, stress balls, and of course fidget-spinners! :D


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2023 08:32 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 17 2023 08:44 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

The Mazda III is a great car for the price. You'll be driving it forever. Just keep up with the oil changes, brakes, tires and like my son, you'll be still driving it 20 years from now.

that's how those asian cars are now.
and with those alliances they form, they share all the technology.
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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

100k actually sounds to me like a short lifespan for a car.. I often
hear of cars (especially the reliable brands) going farther than that,
and I thought I'd heard Mazda was up there as one of the more reliable brands.

Scotty Kilmer (a YouTube Channel guy, others here have seen him) made
the comment when he drove a Mazda cx-5 that it was fun to drive and
nicely built, but if you want a car guaranteed to go over 100K miles,
get a Toyota or Honda. Take him with a grain of salt.

I'd heard other people say the same - whether it's true or not who
knows. As long as you change your fluids according to schedule, I think
most modern cars will last over 100K.



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Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-

The Mazda III is a great car for the price. You'll be driving it
forever. Just keep up with the oil changes, brakes, tires and like my
son, you'll be still driving it 20 years from now.

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE.
I test-drove a Mazda 3, loved it. My AWD CX-9, while it's a troop
hauler, is fast and feels like a much lighter car.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2023 07:48 am

nicely built, but if you want a car guaranteed to go over 100K miles,
get a Toyota or Honda. Take him with a grain of salt.

I'd heard other people say the same - whether it's true or not who
knows. As long as you change your fluids according to schedule, I think
most modern cars will last over 100K.

Yeah, most modern cars will get you to 100k and just over, but that's probably the point that you want to think about getting rid of it. With 6-cylinder cars, it's one thing... but those are few and far between, now! Most brands of those will last a long while. But a 4-cylinder, ONLY trust Honda and Toyota at over 100k miles. Not sure if Nissan or Kia make it into that list yet. An American one? Forget about it! Even European ones. Nobody makes a good 4-cyl like Japan, and specifically those two companies.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:14 am

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE.
I test-drove a Mazda 3, loved it. My AWD CX-9, while it's a troop
hauler, is fast and feels like a much lighter car.

I feel like my Mazda3 is fairly responsive with its power and turning and overall handling. Mine doesn't have the turbo engine, but I think it has decent horsepower and torque. It also came with low-profile tires and what feels like a relatively stiff suspension from the factory - I've noticed I feel more of the road with this car than my last car. Mazda's ad slogan used to be "zoom zoom" - I've noticed they don't use that anymore, but I have the feeling they still want to make their cars sporty and fun to drive.

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about $8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 18 2023 01:12 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2023 07:24 am

I'd heard Mazdas are good cars. I had been thinking about buying a
newer car for a little while and recently bought a Mazda 3 myeslf.

They're fun to drive - mechanics assumption is that they won't last as long as a Toyota or Honda, but are good for 100K or so.

That being said, I have a 2011 CX-9 with 140K and it's doing fine - bought it at 105K and replaced fluids and brakes. No repairs yet. It's huge, but fast and fun to drive.

100k actually sounds to me like a short lifespan for a car.. I often hear o

Nightfox

A co-worker drove his Mazda 323 until he got 300k miles on it, then sold it. For awhile we would see it on the road.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:24 pm

Most brands of those will last a long while. But a 4-cylinder, ONLY trust Honda and Toyota at over 100k miles. Not sure if Nissan or Kia make it into that list yet. An American one? Forget about it! Even European ones.

I had a 2002 Camry SE with the 6 cylinder, and in retrospect I should have gotten the 4-cylinder. The 4-cylinder lived up to the nickname "4-banger, but the 4 cylinder has a timing chain instead of a belt, 25 more horsepower less, and something like 4 mpg more.

The SE was great, though - stiffer suspension and bigger wheels made all the difference. I put Sumitomo AS/P03 tires on it, and with those it was fun to throw around curves.

Neither my Camry or my Prius have *ever* left me on the road, stranded. Knock on wood...
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:30 pm

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about $8000 or $1000 more expensive

My parents had the first generation Miata - it was designed to look and feel like an old roadster, and they nailed it. From the suspension and the exhaust note, it felt like my old Fiat 124 Spyder. I think they started losing that over the life of the model.

Ironic, since Fiat came out with a refreshed 124 Spyder, and based it on the new Miata!

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their
current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about
$8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

I think they'll only sell you a Miata if you wear a man-bun and skinny
jeans.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2023 07:19 pm

My parents had the first generation Miata - it was designed to look and feel like an old roadster, and they nailed it. From the suspension and the exhaust note, it felt like my old Fiat 124 Spyder. I think they started losing that over the life of the model.

Ironic, since Fiat came out with a refreshed 124 Spyder, and based it on the new Miata!

Interesting.. I didn't realize that. I'd heard the Miata may not have had a whole lot of power, but it was meant to be fun to drive.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:24 pm

Yeah, most modern cars will get you to 100k and just over, but that's probably the point that you want to think about getting rid of it. With

I remember hearing that about older cars sometimes (with exceptions), but I thought newer cars would generally last longer.

Most brands of those will last a long while. But a 4-cylinder, ONLY trust Honda and Toyota at over 100k miles. Not sure if Nissan or Kia make it into that list yet. An American one? Forget about it! Even European ones. Nobody makes a good 4-cyl like Japan, and specifically those two companies.

I thought Volkswagen at least used to make a lot of good 4-cylinder cars. I had still seen a lot of their 80s and 90s cars on the road well into the late 2000s. I know someone who had a 1980 VW Scirocco, which had a 4-cylinder engine and was still going in 1998 when he decided to sell it. And in 2004, I bought a used 1988 VW Fox, which had a very similar 4-cylinder engine and it was a good running car.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:49 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:24 pm

Yeah, most modern cars will get you to 100k and just over, but that's probably the point that you want to think about getting rid of it. With

I remember hearing that about older cars sometimes (with exceptions), but I thought newer cars would generally last longer.

asian cars will last long. older asian cars seem to last for a very long time. i'm no car expert so i don't know if these benefitial designs were changed. they probably were, though.

had still seen a lot of their 80s and 90s cars on the road well into the late 2000s. I know someone who had a 1980 VW Scirocco, which had a 4-cylinder engine and was still going in 1998 when he decided to sell it. And in 2004, I bought a used 1988 VW Fox, which had a very similar 4-cylinder engine and it was a good running car.

i cant wait until the ptlosers all die off. and saturn cars. I hate seeing them.
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to discover some sort of 95% efficient power source .. and nothing
between now and then would have made any improvement to climate change, pollution, etc. compared to what that would do instantly.

We were polluting like crazy in XIX's century peak time of industrialization. Even at the beginning of XX's century major cities like London suffered from pollution and it was sometimes hard to live there.

And presumably there was no global warming.

I think one thing is hard to add to the calculus when you consider that.

100 years ago it was about 2B people on this planet. now we are close to 10B and growing. That's a lot more CO2 producers just by simple breathing... not even speaking about car ownership desire.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:49 pm

I thought Volkswagen at least used to make a lot of good 4-cylinder cars. I had still seen a lot of their 80s and 90s cars on the road well into the lat

Yes, Volkswagen was what I was thinking about, too. Not that their cars and engines were bad, but they just weren't as consistently good as Honda's and Toyota's. There are plenty that have lasted, but also quite a few that have failed. I feel the same way about Mazda. It feels like a gamble.

I have a 1969 Volkswagen :)

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 19 2023 01:30 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:14 am

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE. I test-drove a Mazda 3, loved it. My AWD CX-9, while it's a troop hauler, is fast and feels like a much lighter car.

I feel like my Mazda3 is fairly responsive with its power and turning and ov suspension from the factory - I've noticed I feel more of the road with this fun to drive.

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their current Miata

Nightfox

The early Miata models, like the 1991 model, were popular as project cars. They were rear axle at the time, and people would buy used models and swap
the rear axle and drop in a 302 Ford V-8.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2023 09:21 pm

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their
current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about
$8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

I think they'll only sell you a Miata if you wear a man-bun and skinny jeans.

Eh? I get the joke, but at the same time, I don't.. Is there a stereotype with the Mazda Miata that I'm unaware of?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 04:54 am

Yes, Volkswagen was what I was thinking about, too. Not that their cars and engines were bad, but they just weren't as consistently good as Honda's and Toyota's. There are plenty that have lasted, but also quite a few that have failed. I feel the same way about Mazda. It feels like a gamble.

I have a 1969 Volkswagen :)

One time when I was at a car dealership, I heard one of the employees there say he thought Volkswagens were just bad cars, and he said something like "you know all those Volkswagens you see at the side of the road?" I was actually confused, because I've never seen significant numbers of Volkswagens stuck on the side of the road..

One time though, in 2006, I heard the New Beetle was being built at VW's Mexico plant and they were getting a lot of reports of quality issues, and they found out they weren't doing quality checks at the Mexico plant. And due to that, they had fired the plant manager there and VW was doing some re-organizing; I heard VW was moving more of their production back to their plant in Germany (and indeed, it seemed their 2006-2009 Rabbit (AKA Golf) being sold in the US were built at their Germany plant, whereas some of them in the past had been built at their Mexico plant, I believe).

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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

100k actually sounds to me like a short lifespan for a car.. I often
hear of cars (especially the reliable brands) going farther than that,
and I thought I'd heard Mazda was up there as one of the more reliable brands.

Scotty Kilmer (a YouTube Channel guy, others here have seen him) made
the comment when he drove a Mazda cx-5 that it was fun to drive and
nicely built, but if you want a car guaranteed to go over 100K miles,
get a Toyota or Honda. Take him with a grain of salt.

I'd heard other people say the same - whether it's true or not who
knows. As long as you change your fluids according to schedule, I think most modern cars will last over 100K.

Every vehicle I've ever owned has made it to 300K and beyond. I always change fluids as needed. Right now my 2006 Scion Xa has 329K on it and still runs great. My 2002 Chevy Silverado Z71 has 289K on it and runs great. I had a 1996 Nissan make it to 400K. :)




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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

I've often thought a Mazda Miata would be fun to drive. Their
current Miata looks really nice, though it would have been about
$8000 or $1000 more expensive than my 3.

I think they'll only sell you a Miata if you wear a man-bun and skinny jeans.

Eh? I get the joke, but at the same time, I don't.. Is there a stereotype with the Mazda Miata that I'm unaware of?

Well, I've always thought there was, and am not even sure why. I did a
quick check and found these:

https://casualcarguide.com/top-6-mx-5-miata-stereotypes-why-theyre-wrong/

https://www.deftautoco.com/post/scenes-from-saturday-night

Probably just a random carry-over from the 80's... (90's?).

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Sat Jul 15 2023 01:47 pm

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant debt,

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 01:59 pm

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've
known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time
believing that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably
have constant debt,

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy.

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of car commercials do do that.. I thought perhaps they may be trying to hide the actual cost of buying it, and putting out a number that sounds low.

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On 20 Jul 2023, Phigan said the following...

Yes, Volkswagen was what I was thinking about, too. Not that their cars and engines were bad, but they just weren't as consistently good as Honda's and Toyota's. There are plenty that have lasted, but also quite
a few that have failed. I feel the same way about Mazda. It feels like a gamble.

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electrical problems. i think that was common. with a handful of aftermarket parts, a slightly bigger alternator, etc. it's close to trivial to keep running. especially if you're not trying to make power with it (but then .. i duno how fun it is to build out a basic daily driver..)

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Thu Jul 20 2023 08:37 am

re-organizing; I heard VW was moving more of their production back to their plant in Germany (and
indeed, it seemed their 2006-2009 Rabbit (AKA Golf) being sold in the US were built at their Germany plant, whereas some of them in the past had been built at
their Mexico plant, I believe).

VW had made quite a few cars in the 80s and 90s in Pennsylvania, but that plant closed in the late 90s. I had a 1977 Rabbit built in Germany, and later a US-built 1982, and they felt like completely different cars.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Phigan on Thu Jul 20 2023 08:58 pm

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around

The old VW diesel engine was bulletproof. Change the oil, asjust the valves every 60K and it'd never quit. Rumor has it you'd need a new injector pump at 200K or so, but I never did.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 01:59 pm

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy.

I might actually do this for a couple reasons. I bought over two years ago new because the used cars I was looking at in that range were so inflated, the difference wasn't much. I like manual transmission and they are dwindling. So, although not the best idea, I might turn mine in and do this and I never thought I would. Each year I wait will be more depreciation of what I have and less available MTs.

Remains to be seen though.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: The Lizard Master to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2023 08:33 am

difference wasn't much. I like manual transmission and they are dwindling. S although not the best idea, I might turn mine in and do this and I never

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :).
I would like one too!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Wed Jul 19 2023 08:14 am

One thing all Mazdas seem to have in common - they're all FUN TO DRIVE.

You want fun. Try the MX-5 Miata!


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:18 am

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :). I would like one too!

pretty sure you have to special order it.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Phigan on Thu Jul 20 2023 08:58 pm

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electrical problems. i think that was common. with a handful of aftermarket parts, a slightly bigger alternator, etc. it's close to trivial to keep running. especially if you're not trying to make power with it (but then .. i duno how fun it is to build out a basic daily driver..)

I'd heard Volkswagen is known for electrical issues. My last car was a 2009 VW Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issue I had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out relatively frequently (sometimes after a month, or after a few months). One thing that sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there was a piece of plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the taillight housings to unscrew and pull them out. I eventually just left the trunk liner detached on each side so I could more easily replace the bulbs when needed. Also, in the process of doing that repeatedly, I ended up breaking off a couple of tabs inside the taillight housings, and it was easy to break some tabs holding the trunk liner in place as well. I'd think they would make it easier to replace the light bulbs, considering they burn out after a while.. The headlight bulbs were very easy to replace though.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:18 am

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :). I would like one too!

I've heard of a few - and often it seems to be the more 'sporty' models these days, where drivers might more strongly prefer a manual for the driving experience. I've seen it on some of the more 'sporty' models of Mazdas, Volkswagen GTI, etc.. And I think some car manufacturers let you do a custom order where you might be able to specify a manual transmission.

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On 21 Jul 2023, Nightfox said the following...

2009 VW Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issue I had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to
burn out relatively frequently (sometimes after a month, or after a few months). One thing that sucked was that in order to replace the

sheesh ..

kind of sad really.. all the A1/Mk1 stuff used off the shelf bulbs for *everything*. they were available at nearly every gas station in the country. sometimes even the headlights (looking online the same entire bulb/lens assembly matches 39 makes and hundreds of models)

i'd say we went backwards as far as sustainability goes in that regard..

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 05:52 am

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!
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growing. That's a lot more CO2 producers just by simple breathing... not

ven

peaking about car ownership desire.

There is also a lot more asphalt, which soaks up heat from the Sun and
heats up the air (and many other things) around it.

That is one reason why most big cities are usually warmer than the surrounding countryside.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 08:52 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2023 05:52 am

my suv has been paid off for years .it's doing nothing for me credit wise. it's off the radar. my sedan does a lot more because it's on a low interest loan and shows i pay off on time.

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: fusion to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 2023 11:18 pm

2009 VW Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only
really annoying issue I had with it was that the taillight bulbs

sheesh ..

kind of sad really.. all the A1/Mk1 stuff used off the shelf bulbs for *everything*. they were available at nearly every gas station in the country. sometimes even the headlights (looking online the same entire bulb/lens assembly matches 39 makes and hundreds of models)

i'd say we went backwards as far as sustainability goes in that regard..

My 2009 VW Rabbit used off-the-shelf bulbs, in that they were available at pretty much any auto parts store.. What do you mean about going backwards?

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Interesting.. I didn't realize that. I'd heard the Miata may not have had a whole lot of power, but it was meant to be fun to drive.

It didn't. It was designed to emulate old roadsters, which were light,
handled well, and you drove them pedal-to-the-metal and flung them
around corners.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:18 am

difference wasn't much. I like manual transmission and they are dwindling. S although not the best idea, I might turn mine in and do this and I never

Which cars can you even get with manual transmission now? There are _never_ any on the dealer lots here. Or maybe I'm just not calling around enough :). I would like one too!

The one I settled on is not that exciting, but I love it. So much fun to drive and wasn't too bad price wise considering. Toyota Corolla lol!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: The Lizard Master to Phigan on Sat Jul 22 2023 02:16 pm

The one I settled on is not that exciting, but I love it. So much fun to dri and wasn't too bad price wise considering. Toyota Corolla lol!

That's awesome. I will have to spend some more time at the Toyota dealership next time I am looking!

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** On Friday 21.07.23 - 20:52, Digital Man wrote to MRO:

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!

It's impossible to escape. Your payment of bills is reported
to those Equifax-esque companies anyway. Your score is
adjusted when you pay on time or not.


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kind of sad really.. all the A1/Mk1 stuff used off the shelf bulbs for

everyt

ng*. they were available at nearly every gas station in the country.

ometimes

ven the headlights (looking online the same entire bulb/lens assembly matches
makes and hundreds of models)

i'd say we went backwards as far as sustainability goes in that regard..

+ 1


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Hello DM!

** On Thursday 20.07.23 - 13:59, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox:

Do a lot of people really trade in their car after only 3 years? I've
known maybe one person who has done that.. I'd have a hard time believing
that's something a lot of people would do. You'd probably have constant
debt,

It's not smart, in my opinion, but yes, a lot of people do just that. A lot of people *lease* their cars too. Have you noticed that automoative
TV commercials never advertise the cost to *buy* a vehicle any more: they only advertise monthly (f)lease payments? It's crazy. --

Leasing (and no money down) worked well for me, 3 times (4yr
periods) in a row. The first one was the 1999 Toyota Rav4.
After 4 yrs, it was pretty neat to simply move into the new
model for 2003.

My priority was reliability, and something that can manage 6in
of unplowed driveway if necessary. Having driven used cars in
the many years prior, I simply got fed up with problems and
seemingly constant repairs with them.

Save for the occassional recall matter, I never encountered any
problem with the leased vehicles. The only clincher was to
maintain the regular maintenance schedule at the dealer. For
me, that required driving 100-130km to the dealer each time.

I decided to keep my 2007 Rav4. Other domestic costs had
emerged by then, and even the monthly lease payment had creeped
up for the 2012 models. So, I bought out the lease using other
credit which I was able to repay sooner than 4 yrs.

Now, I have a 16yr old Rav4 (under 140k km) that has
encountered several high cost repairs since two years ago. Rear
suspension, rotors and a few other things cost around $5000.
Now, the running boards have clear signs of advanced corrosion.
No issues with the engine at all.

I think I will revert to leasing for my next vehicle. The Ford
Escape is represented by a local dealer in my town, so long
drives for maintenance would be avoided.

I don't think leasing is (f)leasing per se. If would buy a
brand new car outright, the taxes would be based on the full
price up-front. So, the full price of the car + taxes is big
chunk to cough up. Compared to a lease, you only pay the tax on
the monthly portion, and if the vehicle is used for business,
the tax is a credit - which means that portion is no cost to
the biz. And, leasing is smaller expense burden over time.

Then, when it comes time to end the lease, the surrender of the
vehicle is akin to a sale, but without the burden of arranging
a sale yourself. That is a "cost" of convenience that can be
worth it.


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Hustler wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

You want fun. Try the MX-5 Miata!

My parents had a first-gen Miata. Great car, but I wish it was a third
bigger.



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Nightfox wrote to fusion <=-

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first time around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electrical problems.

I had a 1977 and a 1983 Rabbit. The 1983 has OK electrical, the 1977
had a penchant for blowing the glow plug fuse - a thick 60A piece of
metal that fit in behind two screw terminals on the firewall. Blown
fuse = no start. They were relatively expensive, so I had to jury rig
it a couple of times.

I was at a concert, and in a pinch stripped a section of headphone wire.
it almost immediately fried, but gave the plugs enough juice to start.

Later, the rear brake lights went out, and the fuse box had shorted and
the back had melted.




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Digital Man wrote to MRO <=-

The whole credit rating system is a scam. Don't fall for it!

It's pretty laughable. I'm in pretty good shape financially, have had a mortgage in my name since 1996. No late payments. several cards, one of
them with over 20 years in my name.

My wife and I have an American Express card with a pretty big available
balance that we use for day-to-day expenses as well as big purchases
like a vacation we went on recently. I'll get a credit alert that my
score dropped because of my credit balance. I'll take the same amount
out of checking and pay the AMEX. Then, I get an alert from one service
that my rating went up, and another saying it went down because I have
too much available credit!

I worked at a startup in 2000 that did customer analytics. The founders
had come from Fair, Isaac and Company, aka FICO. Reading about the Fair
family, it's ironic that the founder has militantly scrubbed their
family's info from the net and had sued people to keep their information private. Privacy for me, but not for thee, apparently.



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On 22 Jul 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Nightfox wrote to fusion <=-

i know the A1/A2 (rabbit/golf/jetta) engines well enough.. but first around new, like my dad had when i was really young, his had electric problems.

I had a 1977 and a 1983 Rabbit. The 1983 has OK electrical, the 1977
had a penchant for blowing the glow plug fuse - a thick 60A piece of
metal that fit in behind two screw terminals on the firewall. Blown
fuse = no start. They were relatively expensive, so I had to jury rig
it a couple of times.

nice! i had a 78, an 83 GTI, and an 84 GL.

never got the GTI into shape where i could do more than limp it around though.. there are a few spots in the frame where if there's damage you're basically screwed.. and someone jacked the car up with those spots repeatedly i think.

but, i ended up putting most of it's engine in the GL. i used the GTI's head and the block from a Mk3 Jetta.. the GL was automatic so i swapped all the parts over from the GTI to make it manual. going from 65hp in the GL to around 120 with that frankenstein in a tiny car was insane.. even better, it was a 4-door and looked like a granny mobile.

I was at a concert, and in a pinch stripped a section of headphone wire. it almost immediately fried, but gave the plugs enough juice to start.

ha, i love stories like that. my dad used to tell me about how he'd pull start his Beetle with a rope like in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI46qVW2WA4

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 22 2023 08:58 am

I was at a concert, and in a pinch stripped a section of headphone wire.
it almost immediately fried, but gave the plugs enough juice to start.

Later, the rear brake lights went out, and the fuse box had shorted and
the back had melted.

whoa sounds like murphy was visiting you. (murphys law) that is.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to fusion on Fri Jul 21 2023 12:03 pm

Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying issu had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out relatively sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there was a piece o plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the taillight housings to unsc and pull them out. I eventually just left the trunk liner detached on each s

Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 31 2023 06:45 am

Rabbit (the US name for the Golf at the time). The only really annoying
issu had with it was that the taillight bulbs started to burn out
relatively sucked was that in order to replace the taillight bulbs, there
was a piece o plastic trunk liner in the back & bottom of the trunk that
you had to detach and pull back on each side in order to get to the
taillight housings to unsc and pull them out. I eventually just left the
trunk liner detached on each s

Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anything like that..?

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Jul 31 2023 10:03 am

Outa curiosity do you happen to know what your local gas station would charge to change it?

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anything like that..?

Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:39 am

Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.

I have seen one gas station in my area that also has garage bays with mechanics where they can help fix some car issues, but that's the only one I've seen in my area like that. The others just sell gas, and most have a convenience store too.

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

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I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anyt
ng like that..?

Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.


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Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs
or anything like that..?

Back in the old days when there were 2 types of bulbs and you could
reach the sockets from the trunk, gas station garages used to change
them for you.

Now, getting to, letalone changing headlight and taillight bulbs is a
pain.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:39 am

Oh. I guess in your State the gas stations don't have mechanics. Most do in New York. The money comes from auto repair. Not selling Gas. I was just curious what a mechanic would charge to change a light bulb.

the hourly rate. which is a lot
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Hustler on Tue Aug 01 2023 08:46 am

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing.

hahahaha

simple thing huh?

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

tail lights is usually easier.

did you never change a headlight or tail light?
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Tue Aug 01 2023 09:16 am

I've never seen any gas stations that change taillight/headlight bulbs or anyt
ng like that..?

Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap out a bulb in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.
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Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

So what does the lady down the street do with no husband or BF? Bring the car to their dealer? Everyone has new cars so I'm guessing that's where they bring their cars.

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HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

So what does the lady down the street do with no husband or BF? Bring
the car to their dealer? Everyone has new cars so I'm guessing that's where they bring their cars.

I think once she gets past the stigma of gender stereotypes, she
realizes her hands are smaller and easier to get into tight spaces to
change the darn bulb. :)



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Wed Aug 02 2023 04:31 am

Ideally, changing light bulbs in a headlight or taillight should be a fairly simple thing. Unfortunately it seems like some are a little complicated to get to (especially taillights).

So what does the lady down the street do with no husband or BF? Bring the car to their dealer? Everyone has new cars so I'm guessing that's where they bring their cars.

i think autozone does it for free.
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Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap out a bul
in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.

Yep. They want you to have to pay a dealership to be able to do any maintenance to your vehicle. That, and I sometimes think that maintenance
is an afterthought.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Aug 03 2023 08:12 am

Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap
out a

bul

in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.

Yep. They want you to have to pay a dealership to be able to do any maintenance to your vehicle. That, and I sometimes think that maintenance is an afterthought.

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Sounds like what apple does, and it's somewhat irritating.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Aug 03 2023 08:12 am

Back when they were called "service stations" they used to.

back in the old days you could stick your hand up underneath and swap out a bul
in some cases. now you have to take apart shit.

Yep. They want you to have to pay a dealership to be able to do any maintenance to your vehicle. That, and I sometimes think that maintenance is an afterthought.

even with my 2006 exploder i need to use an extention and socket to take out 3 bolts. then i have to yank the whole assy out.
i'm hoping my newer car doesnt blow a headlight because i don't want to go down that road.

i helped my friend change the bulbs on his chevy sedan and that was seriously a pain in the ass.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 11:27 pm

what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing it. ---

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: candycane to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 21:45:45

Sounds like what apple does, and it's somewhat irritating.

candycane

Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they would sell one they didn't know which of the 3 similar boards to get and would likely be wrong.
The dealer didn't even have the tools needed to program it anyway.
I always perfer to fix my own things so the car was well maintained mechanically.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Jul 20 2023 07:53 am

Interesting.. I didn't realize that. I'd heard the Miata may not have had a whole lot of power, but it was meant to be fun to drive.

It didn't. It was designed to emulate old roadsters, which were light,
handled well, and you drove them pedal-to-the-metal and flung them
around corners.

My mom had a black Miata with red 'leather' interior. It had speakers in the headrest and subwoofer in the seat base. I got to drive it alot and it was super fun.

http://www.miata93le.com/About_LE.htm
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GenFx wrote to candycane <=-

Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are
available. I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the
dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they
would sell one they didn't know which of the 3 similar boards to
get and would likely be wrong. The dealer didn't even have the
tools needed to program it anyway. I always perfer to fix my own
things so the car was well maintained mechanically. Saying
goodbye to the car was a hard pill to swallow.

How old was the car? Must have been fairly old, because the dealership certainly has the parts and tools needed to program the computer of any
recent model.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Nightfox to Hustler on Tue Aug 01 2023 08:46 am

I have seen one gas station in my area that also has garage bays with mechan where they can help fix some car issues, but that's the only one I've seen i

Stop in one day and ask what they would charge to change a rear brakelight bulb. I'm really curious I had a guy do it for 10 bucks. I supplied the bulb. If they give you that hourly labor speech just say thanks and leave. You could also schedule an oil change and have them change the bulb then for a price. What price I don't know. This is why it's important to befreind your local mechanic. I had friends from my school years that I could turn to for fixes without charging an arm and a leg.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: GenFx to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:52 pm

Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they would sell one they didn't know which o the 3 similar boards to get and would likely be wrong.

Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 11:27 pm

even with my 2006 exploder i need to use an extention and socket to take out 3 bolts. then i have to yank the whole assy out. i'm hoping my newer car doesnt blow a headlight because i don't want to go down that road.

i helped my friend change the bulbs on his chevy sedan and that was seriously a pain in the ass.

what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing it.

My last car (2009 VW Rabbit) had headlights where you could just twist them and pull them out to replace them. The taillight bulbs were a different story. There was a plastic liner piece in the back of the trunk going across the bottom and up the sides, and I had to detach it and pull it back on each side so that I could then get to the rear light assemblies, use a socket to unscrew a couple of nuts attaching each one, and also a flathead screwdriver which helped detach the electrical plug, before I could take the assembly apart and replace the bulbs. After doing that several times, I just left the trunk liner detached because those rear bulbs ended up burning out fairly often.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: candycane to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 02:03 am

what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing
it.

Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

It would be nice if companies made things easy to work on and fix. I'd be inclined to be more of a repeat customer if they did that, rather than them them trying to force me to come in and spend money because they made something more difficult.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: candycane to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 02:03 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 03 2023 11:27 pm

what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and replacing it. ---

Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

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Yea, you can't fix a lot of things these days without a computer connected to it to get a diagnostic.. Bulbs, used to either be a push, twist, pull to get them out, then some are just pull out but these days, instead of replacing a bulb, you have to replace the entire light assembly as things are just glued in.. sometimes you need special tools to even get something apart. i miss the days when a screwdriver and a 9/16 socket could just about take anything off of a car..

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: GenFx to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:52 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first

Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't even want to sell one to me. Even if they would sell one they didn't know which of the 3 similar boards to get and would likely be wrong.
The dealer didn't even have the tools needed to program it anyway.
I always perfer to fix my own things so the car was well maintained mechanically.
Saying goodbye to the car was a hard pill to swallow.

sounds like you went to the wrong dealer. go get a 2nd opinion or go to another mechanic.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first rides
By: Hustler to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 04:59 am

Stop in one day and ask what they would charge to change a rear brakelight bulb. I'm really curious I had a guy do it for 10 bucks. I supplied the bulb. If they give you that hourly labor speech just say thanks and leave.

if you go to autozone they will do it and they wont take a tip. they cant.
i had a guy do my back one once because i never did it before. it was real easy on my car.

You could also schedule an oil change and have them change the bulb then for a price. What price I don't know. This is why it's important to befreind your local mechanic.

you will be charged a labor and disposal fee on top of the oil change.

your local mechanic. I had friends from my school years that I could turn to for fixes without charging an arm and a leg.

mechanics don't like being used by friends to fix things. you might think you are getting a deal but you are getting the regular rate.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Hustler to GenFx on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:13 am

Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?

it's hard everywhere. i had a mechanic that was good but then they fucked me
a few times real good in the long run.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 09:23 am

It would be nice if companies made things easy to work on and fix. I'd be inclined to be more of a repeat customer if they did that, rather than them them trying to force me to come in and spend money because they made something more difficult.

they just use plastic junk. maybe it's cheaper sometimes.
i need to rip apart my dash to fix my flow diverter.
plastic gears broke.

engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off the tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trunk and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

i'd hate to change the serpentine belt on my sedan, but on my suv it's pretty easy.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:20 pm

engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trun and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a flatbed on the weekends and a service call for that thing (AAA). The guy needed a jump. I was like WTF?? I told the guy best I can do is tow you back to the shop. Can't remember what kind of vehicle it was.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 09:23 am

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: candycane to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 02:03 am

what happened to giving the bulb a twist and pulling it out and
replacing it.

Companies wanting you to come in and spend money?

It would be nice if companies made things easy to work on and fix. I'd be inclined to be more of a repeat customer if they did that, rather than them them trying to force me to come in and spend money because they made something more difficult.

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They just want short-term gain..

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: HusTler to MRO on Fri Aug 04 2023 07:21 pm

engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trun and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a

flatbed
on the weekends and a service call for that thing (AAA). The guy needed a jump. I was like WTF?? I told the guy best I can do is tow you back to the shop. Can't remember what kind of vehicle it was.

one was a chevy cobalt (which was an embarassment that they yanked. they did the same shit with other sedans). remove tire to get to battery is dodge avenger. (she had a major head on and airbag did not deploy, too)

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Aug 04 2023 08:05 pm

car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a

Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a

one was a chevy cobalt (which was an embarassment that they yanked. they did

Thanks for that. I thought is was a BMW or Volvo but I'm not sure. Some have terminal posts in the trunk that you can use to jump start it. I never understood what these engineers were trying to accomplish.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Gamgee to GenFx on Fri Aug 04 2023 07:04:00

How old was the car? Must have been fairly old, because the dealership certainly has the parts and tools needed to program the computer of any recent model.

12 years old, very low klms
nope they flat out refused.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Hustler to GenFx on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:13:33

Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?

yeah its the sticks :)
I tried all 4 auto electricans and none had a programmer.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Hustler to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 05:25 am

Thanks for that. I thought is was a BMW or Volvo but I'm not sure. Some have terminal posts in the trunk that you can use to jump start it. I never understood what these engineers were trying to accomplish.

no, battery in the trunk. posts under the hood.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:20 pm

engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off the tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trunk and they have wires running under the hood with posts for jumping.

I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.

they're idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piizWfcFYU&ab_channel=OzMechanics
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2023 04:17 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk
compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine
compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots -
I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work
on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the
dealership to be worked on.

they're idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piizWfcFYU&ab_channel=OzMechanics
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Hustler wrote to MRO <=-

car and take off tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a

Oh man! I remember that! What kind of car was that? I was running a

one was a chevy cobalt (which was an embarassment that they yanked. they did

Thanks for that. I thought is was a BMW or Volvo but I'm not
sure. Some have terminal posts in the trunk that you can use to
jump start it. I never understood what these engineers were
trying to accomplish.

It's usually done for weight distribution / balancing. Batteries are
heavy, and on a performance car it can make a difference.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2023 04:17 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always
engineers
being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.

they're idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piizWfcFYU&ab_channel=OzMechanics

My 2014 Camaro has the battery in the trunk. You have to take out the spare tire to get to it.. Pain in the a$$ if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk like I do..

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Hustler wrote to GenFx <=-

Geez..where do you guys live? In the sticks? Why so difficult to find a good mechanic that you can trust?

Let's talk about plumbers. None of them work for time and materials
anymore, instead the past two have a book of recommended costs for
plumbing repairs. They stick to that because *everyone* is using the
same book.

That's called price fixing.

$485 to install a toilet. $3250 to replace a stop/drain valve.




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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Dredster to MRO on Sun Aug 06 2023 12:07 am

My 2014 Camaro has the battery in the trunk. You have to take out the spare tire to get to it.. Pain in the a$$ if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk like I do..

Meh, Chevy.. They seem to be fairly good cars, but I know someone who had a Chevy and it was difficult to even replace the front headlight bulbs - you couldn't just twist them out.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 05 2023 12:37 pm

I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine compartment", but I'm not sure if it's always engineers being idiots - I imagine the company might also want things to be difficult to work on so that more customers might decide to take their car to the dealership to be worked on.

I had a 78 Vette at one point, it was in the back somewhere because of that.

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Nightfox to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 09:23 am

engineers are really idiots and don't think about what will happen down the line. i've seen car batteries where you had to jack up the car and take off the tire to get to the battery. i've seen batteries in a compartment in the trunk and they have wires running under the hood
with posts for jumping.

My Camaro is that way. Pull the carpet, pull the cover, pull the tools and then the spare tire to even get to the cover on the battery. It's a pain but there definately is no room under the hood....


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Dredster to MRO on Sun Aug 06 2023 12:07 am

My 2014 Camaro has the battery in the trunk. You have to take out the spare tire to get to it.. Pain in the a$$ if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk like I do..

Meh, Chevy.. They seem to be fairly good cars, but I know someone who
had a Chevy and it was difficult to even replace the front headlight
bulbs - you couldn't just twist them out.

My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.





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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: The Lizard Master to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 08:55 am

I've seen some cars like that, with the battery hidden in a trunk
compartment. I've heard it's "to make more room in the engine

I had a 78 Vette at one point, it was in the back somewhere because of that.

I spent a lot of time working on my friend's '77 Vette. Was the 78 the first year of the bubble-back Vettes?

Putting the battery in the back helps with weight distribution on front-engine cars. Don't know how much it would help with vettes, as they're monsters.

My Vette story - my friend used to always want to race people off of stop lights, and he'd always get beat. He'd try replacing the spark plug wires, get a high-flow air filter, you name it. He went to get the spark plugs replaced (again) at a new shop and they called him over. When they pulled the plugs, they found 6 of the NGKs he'd bought, and 2 of the OEM AC Delco plugs that the previous shop never replaced because they were in the back and too hard to get to!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to MRO on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:27 am

My Camaro is that way. Pull the carpet, pull the cover, pull the tools and then the spare tire to even get to the cover on the battery. It's a pain but there definately is no room under the hood....

My dad's Subaru had the battery AND the spare tire under the hood!
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:35 am

My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.

I read about HID bulbs, but I didn't know that about needing to drain the system. Sounds like working on an old CRT!

I have standard bulbs in my car, everyone else's super-bright lights are all I need. :)
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: poindexter FORTRAN to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 07 2023 05:38 pm

I had a 78 Vette at one point, it was in the back somewhere because of that.

I spent a lot of time working on my friend's '77 Vette. Was the 78 the first year of the bubble-back Vettes?

Putting the battery in the back helps with weight distribution on front-engine cars. Don't know how much it would help with vettes, as they're monsters.

My Vette story - my friend used to always want to race people off of stop lights, and he'd always get beat. He'd try replacing the spark plug wires, get a high-flow air filter, you name it. He went to get the spark plugs replaced (again) at a new shop and they called him over. When they pulled the plugs, they found 6 of the NGKs he'd bought, and 2 of the OEM AC Delco plugs that the previous shop never replaced because they were in the back and too hard to get to!

Wow that's infuriating! Yes, it was the first bubble back silver anniversary edition.

It looked like this: https://barnfinds.com/10k-original-miles-1978-chevrolet-corvette-silver-anniversary-with-no-reserve/

Such an awesome looking car. When I sold it, I used ebay. Some guy who worked the rigs in norway bought it. I spoke with him a few times and it was always hard to hear and he had to send money via wire. I was certain the whole thing was a scam, but apparently they don't have easy acces to a lot of these cars and the transaction went smooth. A truck pulled up and took it to an international shipping company and that was that. I miss it though!

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:35 am

My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.

i'm surprised they use those xeon bulbs instead of led. internet sez they started using led headlights in 2004. i switched my suv's dim headlights to led and i love 'em.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: GenFx to candycane on Fri Aug 04 2023 05:52 pm

Just last week I had to scrap my car due to a computer problem.
The main PCB had no markings of course no schematics are available.
I couldn't even buy a replacement computer from the dealer, They didn't

That's strange. How old is the car? Did you try the many online Auto parts stores. I've even seen used part sold online. Oh well.. I guess it don't matter if the car went to the auto graveyard. Sorry for your loss.

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That's strange. How old is the car? Did you try the many online Auto parts stores. I've even seen used part sold online. Oh well.. I guess
it don't matter if the car went to the auto graveyard. Sorry for your loss.

Might have been worth going to an auto picker. They're dissapearing
quickly as real estate in California real estate gets more expensive,
but when I had an old VW they were invaluable. A replacement seat, dash
insert, gas cap, and door card were all dirt cheap.



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:35 am

My 2010 Camaro headlights have the High-Intensity Discharge system and you have to use special, and expensive, bulbs. It is recommended that all power be drained off the system and disconnect the batery before changing bulbs. I guess it can pack quite a jolt if not. Just had to do it a few months ago.

i'm surprised they use those xeon bulbs instead of led. internet sez
they started using led headlights in 2004. i switched my suv's dim headlights to led and i love 'em. ---

When I looked for replacement bulbs, there appear to have been different types used for that model. Halogen, 2 styles and then the HID. I wanted to change to LED but I guess not with the HID setup. I did change tail lights to LED though.


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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to MRO on Wed Aug 09 2023 09:20 am

When I looked for replacement bulbs, there appear to have been different types used for that model. Halogen, 2 styles and then the HID. I wanted to change to LED but I guess not with the HID setup. I did change tail lights to LED though.

you just use a conversion kit.
they have hid to led kits.

i'm supposed to use a canbus for my led lights, but the harness they gave me created a fuck ton of heat and killed my battery. i just go without it and my console warns me about the headlights because they don't draw enough power.
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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to MRO on Wed Aug 09 2023 09:20 am

When I looked for replacement bulbs, there appear to have been different types used for that model. Halogen, 2 styles and then the HID. I wanted to change to LED but I guess not with the HID setup. I did change tail lights to LED though.

you just use a conversion kit.
they have hid to led kits.

i'm supposed to use a canbus for my led lights, but the harness they gave me created a fuck ton of heat and killed my battery. i just go without it and my console warns me about the headlights because they don't draw enough power.

I'll have to look into that! :) Of course after the cost of the HID bulbs, I might wait awhile and get my monies worth out of them! :)



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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Hustler to GenFx on Wed Aug 09 2023 06:51:26

That's strange. How old is the car? Did you try the many online Auto parts stores. I've even seen used part sold online. Oh well.. I guess it don't matter if the car went to the auto graveyard. Sorry for your loss.

13 years, Yeah I tried everything.
Thanks thats very kind ^^

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Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Thumper on Mon Aug 07 2023 05:38 pm

Re: Re: Zoox Robotaxi, first
By: Thumper to MRO on Mon Aug 07 2023 09:27 am

My Camaro is that way. Pull the carpet, pull the cover, pull the tools and then the spare tire to even get to the cover on the battery. It's a pain but there definately is no
room
under the hood....

My dad's Subaru had the battery AND the spare tire under the hood!

So, where was the engine? :)

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