News just broke that Pres. Biden will be unveiling Executive Orders targeting the Second Amendment TOMORROW.

Among the actions he is expected to take are:

Targeting so-called "Ghost Guns" and home builds
Possible regulation of AR Pistols
Background checks
Expanded gun prohibitions
And "guidance" on so-called "safe storage"

Pres. Biden is expected to be joined by anti-gun Attorney General Merrick Garland at the announcement.

And word is the President may even announce the new director of the ATF as the wretched cherry on top of this manure sundae.



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THUMPER wrote to ALL <=-

News just broke that Pres. Biden will be unveiling Executive Orders targeting the Second Amendment TOMORROW.

Among the actions he is expected to take are:

Targeting so-called "Ghost Guns" and home builds

I had heard this rumor... Hopefully someone will push it to the courts
and it could be considered unconstitutional?

Possible regulation of AR Pistols

What is anticipated here? Short barrel restrictions?

Background checks

Cause we know the criminals are going to adhere to this... <rolling eyes>

Expanded gun prohibitions
And "guidance" on so-called "safe storage"

Can't wait... /sarcasm




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Thumper wrote to All <=-

News just broke that Pres. Biden will be unveiling Executive Orders targeting the Second Amendment TOMORROW.

Lefties constantly ignore basic human nature.

Every time I hear one of these gun nuts, I ask a simple question:
How does passing a law impact a criminal? After all, criminals don't
obey laws.

So all gun-control legislation is designed for only 1 thing: to remove
guns from law-abiding citizens. Anything else is just sugar coating to
get the ignorant people to vote for it.


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DR. WHAT wrote to THUMPER <=-

News just broke that Pres. Biden will be unveiling Executive Orders targeting the Second Amendment TOMORROW.

Lefties constantly ignore basic human nature.

Every time I hear one of these gun nuts, I ask a simple question:
How does passing a law impact a criminal? After all, criminals don't
obey laws.

So all gun-control legislation is designed for only 1 thing: to remove guns from law-abiding citizens. Anything else is just sugar coating to get the ignorant people to vote for it.

Completely agree!

Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446 yet?




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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446 yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446 yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One
rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

Yeah - mine are both Republican, but I still made it known my views...

You might still contact them! If enough people do it MIGHT scare them
into thinking they might not get re-elected?



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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DR. WHAT on Fri Apr 09 2021 10:55 am

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Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446 yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

Yeah - mine are both Republican, but I still made it known my views...

You might still contact them! If enough people do it MIGHT scare them
into thinking they might not get re-elected?

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I would send the message nevertheless too. Politics is a psychological game. It needs to look like a lot of people care.

This is why small communist groups are effective. They are small, but they paste posters on walls as if they had ten thousand members, so in the end of the day people thinks they are stronger than they are... and are more likely to yield to their demands.

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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

You might still contact them! If enough people do it MIGHT scare them
into thinking they might not get re-elected?

Here in Michigan, they don't worry about that. With the Governor and Sec
of State violating the state Constitution on a daily basis, it makes no difference what the voters actually do.


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Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446 yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that like
to hunt.


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Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that
like to hunt.

I think that could be taken as a threat. So, no.

I did remind them that unless they straighten out I will be voting against them and activly campaigning against them.


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You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that like to hunt.

I think that could be taken as a threat. So, no.

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
wildlife and need guns to do so. However, in this day in age, no matter
how you word it, they could take it as a threat just to make an excuse to harass you, so I see your point.


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Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt wildlife and need guns to do so.

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd
Amendment away.

However, in this day in age, no
matter how you word it, they could take it as a threat just to make an excuse to harass you, so I see your point.

Unfortunately...


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 12 2021 02:41 pm

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that like to hunt.

I think that could be taken as a threat. So, no.

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
wildlife and need guns to do so. However, in this day in age, no matter
how you word it, they could take it as a threat just to make an excuse to harass you, so I see your point.

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"Ok, that people who likes to hunt will be able to hunt with crossbows after we pass $this_bill, no problem"

<four years later>

"People who likes to hunt will be able to hunt with slingshots after we pass $next_bill."

Defending hobbies does not work. What works is mustering enougyh hobbyist that they are a political force on their own. Of course they will make excuses to harass you by that point, because that is how politics work, but the point is if they are not uncomfortable doing it, it is because they perceive your group as a pushover.


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Defending hobbies does not work. What works is mustering enougyh hobbyist that >they are a political force on their own. Of course they will make excuses to >harass you by that point, because that is how politics work, but the point is >if they are not uncomfortable doing it, it is because they perceive your group >as a pushover.

If we could only convince them it was a sexual orientation or maybe one of
the "new" genders... they either have to leave it alone, or have to expose their "science" as false.


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Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that
like to hunt.

I think that could be taken as a threat. So, no.

I did remind them that unless they straighten out I will be voting
against them and activly campaigning against them.

Yeah - don't word 'like to hunt' like it's Politician Season. :-)

But you COULD word it in such a way to say, "it's more than self defense!
We state voters enjoy the outdoors and hunting. The proposed legislation
will infringe upon that right as well."




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Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt wildlife and need guns to do so.

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able
to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the
2nd Amendment away.

You are correct, but again it's a way to make it sound non confrontational. Might make them listen closer?



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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able
to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the
2nd Amendment away.

You are correct, but again it's a way to make it sound non confrontational. Might make them listen closer?

They won't listen.

One of the problems with our current gov't is that it attracts people who are Elite (or so they believe). They think that they are smarter than the average person, better, etc. So they don't need to listen to use, instead we need to listen to them.

As the old saying goes, "You can't fix stupid." and these people are the worst of the stupid - so stupid that they can't even accept the idea that they are stupid.


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On 4/13/2021 4:41 AM, Dr. What wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
wildlife and need guns to do so.

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.

Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is
completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most
common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not
for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.
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Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

Correct.

And on top of that, there's the Leftie propaganda that the Constitution **grants** us rights. It does not. It only calls out the fact that we
have rights and that those rights existed before the gov't existed.

The people have all rights and, through the Constitution, grants the gov't power.

Of course, Lefties want to pretend that none of this exists.


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Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
wildlife and need guns to do so.

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.

Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

Let us also not forget what the Founding Fathers thought about permanent, standing armies. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom” and “completely adverse” to the “spirit of this country.”

Pretty smart guys, those Founding Fathers. They were able to see 200 years into the future.

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TRACKER1 wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
wildlife and need guns to do so.

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.

Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

Not only that, the "RIGHT" existed BEFORE the constitution. The constitution just prevents the GOVERNMENT from infringing... Or is SUPPOSED to prevent it, but there have been more and more infringements over time... :-(




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I could have saved my previous reply had I read on... LOL

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Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

Correct.

And on top of that, there's the Leftie propaganda that the Constitution **grants** us rights. It does not. It only calls out the fact that we have rights and that those rights existed before the gov't existed.

The people have all rights and, through the Constitution, grants the
gov't power.

Of course, Lefties want to pretend that none of this exists.

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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

Not only that, the "RIGHT" existed BEFORE the constitution. The constitution just prevents the GOVERNMENT from infringing... Or is SUPPOSED to prevent it, but there have been more and more infringements over time... :-(

Many of them were opposed to the Bill of Rights. They were fearful that,
over time, it would be taken as a list of the only rights that we have.
It took the Leftie corruption of the education system to make that happen.


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Weatherman to Tracker1 on Wed May 05 2021 04:35 pm

Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
wildlife and need guns to do so.

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resis
tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.

Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely
clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of
the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for comm
defense. I don't think anyone involved in
the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

Let us also not forget what the Founding Fathers thought about permanent, standing
armies. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a
people's] freedom” and “completely adverse” to the “spirit
of this country.”

Pretty smart guys, those Founding Fathers. They were able to see 200 years into th
future.

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Standing armies used to be a rarity.

In the middle ages, standing armies sucked, because people in an army does not grow
crops and does nothing useful for the most part. Wars in the middle ages sucked because, in addition to the head-chopping going on, there was no people harvesting
grain, and the factions involved took heavy loses if just for that.

This is the reason why nobles had no standing armies. You built one when you needed it
_only_.

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Weatherman to Tracker1 on Wed May 05 2021 04:35 pm

Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment
away.

I'm glad that someone is tired with the American Left. Liberals claim they want equality but purposely brand their politics around making groups that all hate each other(a fact that the Republican Party can tend to feed into with its "Person living their life touching noone? ATTACKING MUH VALUES" tendencies, admittedly), and the so called "socialists" feed into this. Even Marx had said "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." Makes you question whether they read him close enough.

Whether on the left or right wing, anyone that wishes to rob citizens of their ability to maintain privacy and defend themselves is not my political ally, nor should they be yours if you value "freedom".

Here's a starting point: Learn to encrypt your communications. Use PGP for your e-mails, use decentralized platforsm for chat like IRC, XMPP, or Matrix, and encrypt your drive.
Here's some links to get yourself started: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Encryption https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Anonymizing_yourself https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Fucko https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Communication

You might want to consider cryptocurrencies like Monero(https://getmonero.org) for anonymous purchasing. Unlike Bitcoin, Monero's public record is obfuscated, meaning that transactions can't be traced back to the sender or recipient. This guy tells you how to set up a wallet for yourself: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qPNxca_KMww

Whether left or right, libertarian unity for the win.

"Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of `justice' but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when `freedom' becomes a special privilege."
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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Tortillaretreat to Weatherman on Tue Jun 01 2021 01:14 pm

To what Tortillaretreat posted, I'd like to add that we at IRCNow are building an IRC network for the users by the users. What we do is train users so they can build up their own servers and administrate them in order to be les dependent on service providers. We use basic technologies and aim at owning as much of the software and hardware stack as possible, using code not controlled by "the enemy".

An interview with the mastermind behind the network should hit the newstands around July or August. Don't miss Linux Magazine then :-)

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Sat Apr 10 2021 06:15 pm

Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446 yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that like to hunt.

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The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The are gun enthusiasts known as Fudds that believe only a narrow selection of hunting rifles should e xist because that is what they specifically use. Some Fudds are as worse as anti-gunners because they are too narrow minded to see the self defense and other shooting sports and disciplines as on being any value.

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Sat Apr 10 2021 06:15 pm

Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446

yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that like to hunt.

* SLMR 2.1a * So many messages ... So little time left.

The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The are gun enthusiasts known as Fudds that believe only a narrow selection of

hunting

rifles should e xist because that is what they specifically use. Some

Fudds

are as worse as anti-gunners because they are too narrow minded to see

the

self defense and other shooting sports and disciplines as on being any value.

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I have firearms of all sorts, from single shot .22 rifles up to the evil,
scary "modern sporting rifle." Of all of them I have yet to find a
favorite to shoot. Depends on the type of shooting I feel like doing that
day.

The point is... there are a wide variety of shooting types, sports,
activities and disciplines. I enjoy most, if not all of them. It's my
RIGHT to be able to do so, and nobody has the RIGHT to restrict my ability
to enjoy them. As far as I'm concerned, every single firearms restriction
on the law books is unconstitutional. If you want to punish gun crimes,
make sentences more severe for the commission of a crime while using a gun.
If you want to limit a population's ability to protect itself, then you
make gun ownership more difficult...


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Aug 16 2021 10:55 am

Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Sat Apr 10 2021 06:15 pm

Have you contacted your Senators to oppose HR 8 and HR 1446

yet?

Oh, ya. But the Senators from Michigan are both hard lefties. One rode Biden's scam to reelection this last year.

So I have no hope that they will listen to their constituents.

You might remind them that there are a lot of people in Michigan that like to hunt.

* SLMR 2.1a * So many messages ... So little time left.

The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The are gun enthusiasts known as Fudds that believe only a narrow selection of

hunting

rifles should e xist because that is what they specifically use. Some

Fudds

are as worse as anti-gunners because they are too narrow minded to see

the

self defense and other shooting sports and disciplines as on being any value.

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I have firearms of all sorts, from single shot .22 rifles up to the evil, scary "modern sporting rifle." Of all of them I have yet to find a
favorite to shoot. Depends on the type of shooting I feel like doing that day.

The point is... there are a wide variety of shooting types, sports, activities and disciplines. I enjoy most, if not all of them. It's my RIGHT to be able to do so, and nobody has the RIGHT to restrict my ability to enjoy them. As far as I'm concerned, every single firearms restriction on the law books is unconstitutional. If you want to punish gun crimes, make sentences more severe for the commission of a crime while using a gun. If you want to limit a population's ability to protect itself, then you
make gun ownership more difficult...

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting laws that are not working towards making people safe rather than create new laws that hurt legal gun owners. The Second exists as part of our given right to defend ourselves, and that's where it hurts me to hear folks who only believe it was there because the founding fathers liked shooting squirrels or
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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Moondog to Weatherman on Sun Aug 22 2021 12:40 pm

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting laws that are not working towards making people safe rather than create new laws that hurt legal gun owners. The Second exists as part of our given right to

Politicians meassure their productivity by number of enacted laws. That is how they justify their existence to both their peer and their electors. "So far we have passed this and that and that other law. We are working hard. Now we are passing yet another."

This is why the number of laws is always increasing and never decreasing.

I suspect it is also an attempt at artificially inflating the economy. If you have too many people on unemployment you may create a lot of laws that generate the need for extra accounting in firms and families, so they need to hire more accountants and lawyers.

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Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state
level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting laws that are not working towards making people safe rather
than create new laws that hurt legal gun owners.

But you need to remember that the PURPOSE of most of those gun laws is to harass legal gun owners. Criminals don't obey laws (hence, the reason they are criminals), so passing a law doesn't impact a criminal in any way.


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Arelor to Moondog on Mon Aug 23 2021 03:59 am

This is why the number of laws is always increasing and never decreasing.

I suspect it is also an attempt at artificially inflating the economy. If you
have too many people on unemployment you may create a lot of laws that generate the need for extra accounting in firms and families, so they need to
hire more accountants and lawyers.

If too many people are unemployed more of them may want to use guns. ;-)

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DR. WHAT wrote to MOONDOG <=-

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state
level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting laws that are not working towards making people safe rather
than create new laws that hurt legal gun owners.

But you need to remember that the PURPOSE of most of those gun laws is
to harass legal gun owners. Criminals don't obey laws (hence, the
reason they are criminals), so passing a law doesn't impact a criminal
in any way.

Just one of those things that is common sense so lots of people refute it.




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The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting laws that are not working towards making people safe rather than create new laws that hurt legal gun owners.

Yes, but apparently it is easier for legislature critters to pass new laws rather than determine whether or not some law they already passed actually works. :(

The Second exists as part of our given right to
defend ourselves, and that's where it hurts me to hear folks who only believe it was there because the founding fathers liked shooting squirrels or punching holes in targets.

Just because someone points out hunting doesn't mean that is the only
reason they believe in 2A. Jumping on them for mention hunting is just as short-sighted as those who think 2A is out-dated.


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If too many people are unemployed more of them may want to use guns. ;-)

And masks! :D


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

But you need to remember that the PURPOSE of most of those gun laws is
to harass legal gun owners. Criminals don't obey laws (hence, the
reason they are criminals), so passing a law doesn't impact a criminal
in any way.

Just one of those things that is common sense so lots of people refute
it.

Not "lots of people". Only the ignorant Leftie Elites who want to much for their Narrative to be true.


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Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-

Yes, but apparently it is easier for legislature critters to pass new
laws rather than determine whether or not some law they already passed actually works. :(

There's an ignorant belief among the politians that laws can make people do things (like act against their self-interest). But there's an old saying:
If the only tool you have is a hammer, all problems look like a nail.

Then you add to that the Lefties will never admit that their solution was wrong, so they will always double down on their failed solution.


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Arelor to Moondog on Mon Aug 23 2021 03:59 am

Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Moondog to Weatherman on Sun Aug 22 2021 12:40 pm

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting la that are not working towards making people safe rather than create new la that hurt legal gun owners. The Second exists as part of our given right

Politicians meassure their productivity by number of enacted laws. That is h they justify their existence to both their peer and their electors. "So far have passed this and that and that other law. We are working hard. Now we ar passing yet another."

This is why the number of laws is always increasing and never decreasing.

I suspect it is also an attempt at artificially inflating the economy. If yo have too many people on unemployment you may create a lot of laws that generate the need for extra accounting in firms and families, so they need t hire more accountants and lawyers.

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I attribute more laws are due to poor research. I helped out with a hunter's education course a few years back, and mentioned to the conservation officer some laws counter acted other laws. How do they expect an 11 y/o kid to apply proper judgment when 2 laws conflict with each other? the officers are well aware of it, and tell students to be able to explain why they made the
decision they made. That is where teaching the concepts of ethics comes in. The ethical approach tends to side with the "spirit", or what was meant by
the law makers.

Getting old laws fixed also takes time and money. Unless you're rich or can muster up enough momentum to gather larger number s of signatures on a petition, you'll sound like every other schmo on a soap box.

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dr. What to Moondog on Mon Aug 23 2021 08:29 am

Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting laws that are not working towards making people safe rather than create new laws that hurt legal gun owners.

But you need to remember that the PURPOSE of most of those gun laws is to harass legal gun owners. Criminals don't obey laws (hence, the reason they criminals), so passing a law doesn't impact a criminal in any way.

... I was on a roll, till I slipped on the butter.

Pointing out the out of control law issue helps in bringing drawing the attention of those who normally don't have an opinion unless someone is
grossly out of control.

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: HusTler to Arelor on Mon Aug 23 2021 08:09 am

Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Arelor to Moondog on Mon Aug 23 2021 03:59 am

This is why the number of laws is always increasing and never decreasin

I suspect it is also an attempt at artificially inflating the economy. have too many people on unemployment you may create a lot of laws that generate the need for extra accounting in firms and families, so they n hire more accountants and lawyers.

If too many people are unemployed more of them may want to use guns. ;-)

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Aug 23 2021 05:05 pm

The other day I heard there were over 20,000 gun laws at the state level. Instead fo creating new laws, I would advise they look at the exsiting law that are not working towards making people safe rather than create new law that hurt legal gun owners.

Yes, but apparently it is easier for legislature critters to pass new laws rather than determine whether or not some law they already passed actually works. :(

The Second exists as part of our given right to
defend ourselves, and that's where it hurts me to hear folks who only beli it was there because the founding fathers liked shooting squirrels or punching holes in targets.

Just because someone points out hunting doesn't mean that is the only
reason they believe in 2A. Jumping on them for mention hunting is just as short-sighted as those who think 2A is out-dated.

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To be clear, I don't jump on the hunting crowd. The few I do debate with are those who do not believe there's any other reason why someone should own firearms. I remind them the last time the US considered strict legislation toward everything except a few simple hunting rifles and shotguns, they were following the success the Germans were having in the 1930's. When
registration become confiscation, a single shot goose gun is just as menacing to the eyes of an oppressor.

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To be clear, I don't jump on the hunting crowd. The few I do debate with are those who do not believe there's any other reason why someone should own firearms. I remind them the last time the US considered strict legislation toward everything except a few simple hunting rifles and shotguns, they were following the success the Germans were having in the 1930's. When registration become confiscation, a single shot goose gun is just as menacing to the eyes of an oppressor.

All of that is true. IIRC, the Brits cannot own much that isn't considered
a hunting arm. When I hear someone who is not 2A going on about how we shouldn't have guns that carry X or more bullets, I think of the Brits and believe I would rather have what we have than that.

Once upon a time I might have trusted our government to leave us alone if
all we had were hunting rifles but that time has passed.


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Aug 29 2021 09:46 am

To be clear, I don't jump on the hunting crowd. The few I do debate with those who do not believe there's any other reason why someone should own firearms. I remind them the last time the US considered strict legislatio toward everything except a few simple hunting rifles and shotguns, they we following the success the Germans were having in the 1930's. When registration become confiscation, a single shot goose gun is just as menac to the eyes of an oppressor.

All of that is true. IIRC, the Brits cannot own much that isn't considered a hunting arm. When I hear someone who is not 2A going on about how we shouldn't have guns that carry X or more bullets, I think of the Brits and believe I would rather have what we have than that.

Once upon a time I might have trusted our government to leave us alone if all we had were hunting rifles but that time has passed.

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In the grand scheme of things the difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle is the not in the firearm itself, but the intentions of the person aiming and pulling the trigger.

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All of that is true. IIRC, the Brits cannot own much that isn't considered a hunting arm. When I hear someone who is not 2A going on about how we shouldn't have guns that carry X or more bullets, I think of the Brits and believe I would rather have what we have than that.

In the grand scheme of things the difference between a hunting rifle
and an assault rifle is the not in the firearm itself, but the
intentions of the person aiming and pulling the trigger.

Indeed. As you may have heard, lacking a gun, someone went on a stabbing rampage in NZ. They are now apparently looking into banning the sale of assault knives.



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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Dumas Walker to Moondog on Fri Sep 17 2021 09:12 am

All of that is true. IIRC, the Brits cannot own much that isn't consider a hunting arm. When I hear someone who is not 2A going on about how we shouldn't have guns that carry X or more bullets, I think of the Brits an believe I would rather have what we have than that.

In the grand scheme of things the difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle is the not in the firearm itself, but the intentions of the person aiming and pulling the trigger.

Indeed. As you may have heard, lacking a gun, someone went on a stabbing rampage in NZ. They are now apparently looking into banning the sale of assault knives.

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Wait until they bring forth a ban against assault stones. Completely different from stone stones.

I am sure criminals are scared because they have not started about banning assault sticks yet.

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 17 2021 06:03 pm

Re: Re: Breaking News

Wait until they bring forth a ban against assault stones. Completely differe from stone stones.

I am sure criminals are scared because they have not started about banning assault sticks yet.

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I don't know what it would take to eliminate the roots of violent behavior, however I feel eventually we can teach others that blaming knives, sticks or other items for the acts committed by the person using them is ridiculous. Some of the most effective martial arts based on unarmed fighting originated because knives and other items were banned.

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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 09:55 am

Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 17 2021 06:03 pm

Re: Re: Breaking News

Wait until they bring forth a ban against assault stones. Completely differe from stone stone

I am sure criminals are scared because they have not started about banning assault sticks yet

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I don't know what it would take to eliminate the roots of violent behavior, however I feel
eventually we can teach others that blaming knives, sticks or other items for the acts committed
the person using them is ridiculous. Some of the most effective martial arts based on unarmed
fighting originated because knives and other items were banned.

There is a film in which some authoritarian regime tries to elimitate violent behavior with drugs
and mind control techniques. Most of the population dies and the rest turns into violent psycopaths
who start killing everybody.

My experience is that you never convince people. The way to push change in the eyes of the public
is to bring people into minoritary hobbies (such as target shooting or knife collection) until
there is enough people in it, with stakes in it, that it becomes resistent to political tampering.

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Wait until they bring forth a ban against assault stones. Completely different
from stone stones.

I am sure criminals are scared because they have not started about banning assault sticks yet.

Or assault minivans and SUVs.


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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: Arelor to Moondog on Sat Sep 18 2021 02:01 pm

Re: Re: Breaking News

There is a film in which some authoritarian regime tries to elimitate violen and mind control techniques. Most of the population dies and the rest turns who start killing everybody.

My experience is that you never convince people. The way to push change in t is to bring people into minoritary hobbies (such as target shooting or knife there is enough people in it, with stakes in it, that it becomes resistent t

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Any change in culture that is effective takes time and is done subtly. Just as many other nations have been whittling away at their citizen's rights to
own firearms, they've been doing it in such a way that people who do legally own and use firearms are viewed as being deviants.

The US has a gun culture, and instead of trying to hide it, safety and responsibility through safety courses and shooting sports are ways to reverse the stigma that guns only have one evil reason to exist.

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I don't know what it would take to eliminate the roots of violent
behavior,

Personal responsibility.

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Re: Breaking News
By: Jazzy J to Moondog on Sat Dec 11 2021 10:02:00

I don't know what it would take to eliminate the roots of violent behavior,

Personal responsibility.

Encouraging biblical morality would be a good place to start.

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Re: Breaking News
By: Sys64738 to Jazzy J on Mon Dec 13 2021 05:23 pm

Re: Breaking News
By: Jazzy J to Moondog on Sat Dec 11 2021 10:02:00

I don't know what it would take to eliminate the roots of violent behavior,

Personal responsibility.

Encouraging biblical morality would be a good place to start.

SYS64738

Sounds good, but even most of us who follow the same book do not agree what each page says.

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Re: Breaking News
By: Moondog to Sys64738 on Tue Dec 14 2021 15:56:00

Encouraging biblical morality would be a good place to start.

Sounds good, but even most of us who follow the same book do not agree what each page says.

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

Besides that, any two people that totally agree on everything means that one of them is irrelevant. :)

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SYS64738 wrote to MOONDOG <=-

Re: Breaking News
By: Moondog to Sys64738 on Tue Dec 14 2021 15:56:00

Encouraging biblical morality would be a good place to start.

Sounds good, but even most of us who follow the same book do not agree what each page says.

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of
respect, kindness, and responsibility.

Put God above all, and treat your neighbor as yourself. The rest is
just details. :-)



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Re: Re: Breaking News
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to SYS64738 on Mon Dec 20 2021 18:15:00

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

Put God above all, and treat your neighbor as yourself. The rest is
just details. :-)

Sounds like a good start.
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Re: Breaking News
By: Sys64738 to Moondog on Wed Dec 15 2021 08:03:00

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale to back them up.

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Re: Breaking News
By: K7elh to Sys64738 on Thu Dec 23 2021 07:37 pm

Re: Breaking News
By: Sys64738 to Moondog on Wed Dec 15 2021 08:03:00

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect kindness, and responsibility.

But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale to back t up.

Eric

While I agree, that comment feels like a cheap shot at moderate Abrahamic religions, heh.

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K7ELH wrote to SYS64738 <=-

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness
and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale
to back them up.

Don't have to be inspired by religion at all! You'd think being kind
and respectful to your fellow man would come natural, but the Truth
is that the NATURAL thing to do is Sin...




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Re: Breaking News
By: K7elh to Sys64738 on Thu Dec 23 2021 19:37:26

Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale to back them up.

Calling the Bible a "fairy tale" is an awfully large assumption.
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