• Re: Halt and Catch Fire

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 12 15:41:27 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am


    Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
    missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
    sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

    he didn't miss it. his wife was going to handle the meeting.
    he was on company business at another location.

    His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband. she should have known they had the NDA, so gary and his wife dropped the ball on that one.
    ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wanted.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wed May 18 21:38:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 05:45 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire

    With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to no many people using simple devices using online software again.



    i think it makes perfect sense.
    you should only use what you need.


    When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources to be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the form of a
    big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail or send
    ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. Users were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a virus.

    Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allows for you
    to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wed May 18 21:58:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 07:57 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 03:22 pm


    Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile s the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain


    i someone is at a desk. you have to watch them.
    there will be some funny business going on.
    my friend is an it manager and they have this software that shows all the us

    this dude got in trouble and they watched him delete his emails and try to c they track when they're idle, what programs are open, what emails they send

    at my job as an electronics tech we had an engineer who would sit by himself he was stupid and didn't realize my desk was right behind his.

    he was trying to break the computer by restarting it. either hardware, the O

    he stopped doing it. later on i helpd out in another department and came ba ve had a camera on him all day.


    The worst users were the "super users" that purchased an O'Reilly book on
    every app and the OS they used, and would try to tweak the OS how they
    wanted it to run. You can spot them on their first day because they would
    ask if you have all the adapters they need to use their old IBM "M" keyboard they 've been using since the 1980's. The other jerk you had to look for
    would comlain about his laptop, then you find the problem is some other company's VPN software is installed. The guy moonlights for a competitor,
    and uses all his compnay provided assets because his other employer asks contractors to supply their own devices and run their apps through Citrix desk top. When you strip off their VPN and tell them that is not only an IT violat ion but also an ethics violation due to conflict of interest, they will go to their supervisor and play stupid and say we evil IT are making him non-productive. My boss will forward me the nastygram he received, I will
    show him and the other guy's boss in an email what was done, and would copy
    and paste the exact wording from the IT/ user's agreement and the ethics
    guide page that says I should've immediately informed the legal department
    and HR of this improper use of company assests and intellectual property.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wed May 18 22:10:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 12 2022 03:41 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am


    Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
    missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
    sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

    he didn't miss it. his wife was going to handle the meeting.
    he was on company business at another location.

    His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband. she shou ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wante


    Correct. Folklore is he picked that day to go out flying his plane. he had flown to meet a customer earlier and met with IBM later. Part of the NDA
    back then included disavowment of any meetings or deals. Gates could move faster and sweetened the deal with undercutting DRI's pricing because he had previously worked on creating IBM's BIOS and overheard things involved in the next step of development.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wed May 18 22:59:13 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 10:10 pm


    His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband.

    she
    shou ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wante


    Correct. Folklore is he picked that day to go out flying his plane.


    he had
    flown to meet a customer earlier and met with IBM later. Part of the NDA back then included disavowment of any meetings or deals. Gates could move faster and sweetened the deal with undercutting DRI's pricing because he had previously worked on creating IBM's BIOS and overheard things involved in the next step of development.

    either way you could call them stupid for not knowing about the NDA. but like i said ibm wanted to buy them out, not license, so they DR would have said no anyways.

    he was a successful man and enjoyed life. but he was an alcoholic.
    atleast he's not a pedophile like bill gates


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Thu May 19 09:55:32 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm

    When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources to be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the form of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail or send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. Users were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a virus.

    Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allows for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost, then you can't do any work. It's basically an all-or-nothing thing. I wouldn't really like being stuck without a way to do what I want to do.

    Nightfox

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Thu May 19 19:19:22 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th

    I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Belly on Thu May 19 19:39:24 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Belly to Nightfox on Thu May 19 2022 07:19 pm

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
    similar th

    I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

    I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even if you cache your documents locally, do you have any way to open them without an internet connection?

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Fri May 20 02:02:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm

    When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the for of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. User were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a vir

    Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allo for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th y to do what I want to do.

    Nightfox

    That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years rather than bandwidth.


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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Fri May 20 13:40:12 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Belly on Thu May 19 2022 07:39 pm

    I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even

    Your Chrome apps get cached locally, just like extensions and such in the Chrome browser. The devices do have local storage onboard. In fact, I have an old Dell Chromebook at home that I flashed new firmware on, that runs Ubuntu. It's one of my favorite little lappys. The SSD is only 16GB, but I keep a 32GB SD card mounted for extra storage.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri May 20 05:18:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
    similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost, then you can't do any work.

    All of the Google apps let you work offline.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sat May 21 10:38:31 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

    That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years rather than bandwidth.

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you mean.

    Nightfox

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Sat May 21 21:39:43 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

    I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more to do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sat May 21 22:31:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

    That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. T was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Offic all these years rather than bandwidth.

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

    Nightfox

    My stream of thought must've dropped off. I think I meant to say bandwidth re liant apps. Give someone who has used MS Office as their prime work tool an alternate tool set like Google Apps, and some may adapt quickly while others will struggle since it's not what they have always used. I even suspect ed a few admins that used changes in software as excuses as to why they couldn't
    get work done in time. Their bosses would crate nastygrams to our bosses,
    they we'd have our network security guy take a peak at their browsing habits and remote view them when they weren't aware. One user would ask why there's an eyeball on the system tray?


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Belly on Sun May 22 09:15:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Belly to Nightfox on Sat May 21 2022 09:39 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what

    I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy


    Bingo. I lost my stream of though somewhere in editing that. Transitions
    from Windows have been way easier than moving between Office upgrades. With that knowledge, imagine how crazy it was to switch to something completely different!

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  • From Divarin@VERT/TIME/BATTLEST to All on Mon May 23 15:44:12 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 09:15 am

    Ah I watched all 4 seasons of Halt and Catch Fire before it was on Netflix. Each season is sort of its own thing. I really liked Seasons 1 and 2. Season 2 mostly focuses on BBSs, well specificaly an online service called Mutiny run on/for Commodore computers. It's clearly like Play Net, which became Quantum Link, and eventually America Online.
    My BBS (mutiny BBS) was set up i 2018 after I watched this season because I liked having the idea of having a platform where you could write your own games and have your users play them. Not that my BBS is trying to exactly mimic the online service in this show but it inspired me to get off my butt and get the BBS going.
    I didn't much care for the last season personally, it was much more emotional which some people might prefer.

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  • From knightwise@VERT/BEERS20 to Divarin on Thu Jun 16 10:52:00 2022
    I was wondering if "Mutiny" was indeed a BBS service. Now I understand. I love love love that show! y

    Knightwise
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to knightwise on Thu Jun 16 20:26:00 2022
    knightwise wrote to Divarin <=-

    I was wondering if "Mutiny" was indeed a BBS service. Now I
    understand. I love love love that show! y

    I just finished semi-binge-watching all 4 seasons of it, having missed
    it completely when it first aired. Really liked it a LOT, great stuff!

    Reminded me of buying my "Kaypro PC" back in 1986. :-)



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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Joe Phigan on Mon Aug 29 07:47:35 2022
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time. Bindge watched most of it. ;-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hustler on Tue Aug 30 07:30:00 2022
    Hustler wrote to Joe Phigan <=-

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time.
    Bindge watched most of it.


    I just re-watched the tail end of season 4. Great show.

    I want a present-day season 5.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 5 12:41:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Tue Aug 30 2022 07:30 am

    Hustler wrote to Joe Phigan <=-

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time. Bindge watched most of it.


    I just re-watched the tail end of season 4. Great show.

    I want a present-day season 5.


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    i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the later
    half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services were hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with
    in that era. Pre-google search engine wars was big, too.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Mon Sep 5 14:13:30 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

    i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the later half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services were hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with

    i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet sez it's like a screensaver that showed real time info.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tue Sep 6 08:52:00 2022
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Sep 05 2022 02:13 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

    i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the late half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services w hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play wi

    i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet

    Pointcast wasn't used. Users would install it on their systems and use it to stream news, sports scores or stock information. Same thing with limewire, napster,and other programs that would install adware or eat bandwidth. I had
    a friend that was assigned to a project to help reduce bandwidth consumption for a big corporation. He would skim through internet logs, and flag non-critical sites that were taking up user's time and eating bandwidth and su bmit them to another team that would add them to be blocked or set off alerts when accessed. This was before established firewall programs came out with most of the common websites already on the block list.

    When I worked in nuclear generation we had lots of issues with searches bringing up undesirable results. Connectors would be either male or female,
    or somemone would be looking for petcock valves. We also had several
    employees or contractors that would be from countries other than the US, and surfing Asian, Indian, or Eastern European sites would get flagged right
    away. One employee who kept his Chinese national status so he could return some day would access news sites and streaming video sites at work. Some of these required special plug-ins which would set off virus scanners or
    firewall intrusion alerts.

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  • From bex@VERT/CONCHAOS to MRO on Tue Sep 6 13:43:00 2022
    MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

    hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with

    i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet sez it's like a screensaver that showed real time info.

    I worked at HP when Pointcast came out. It brought the local network down
    to its knees every time that a new story was pushed, or a weather update,
    or a score update, or an editor would publish a retraction, or...

    The 90s were a weird time for consumer internet applications.

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