• fed's

    From Theviper@VERT/VIPERBBS to gamgee on Thu Jul 14 12:13:20 2022
    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not allowed on the bbs....the viper

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Theviper on Fri Jul 15 21:27:00 2022
    Theviper wrote to gamgee <=-

    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they
    usually tell you that voluntarily?

    Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Sat Jul 16 09:44:00 2022
    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

    Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

    I would think putting that in the ad might cause them to take notice. :D


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 12:13:23 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Gamgee to Theviper on Fri Jul 15 2022 09:27 pm

    Theviper wrote to gamgee <=-

    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

    Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.




    I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's BBS without a warrant
    would be valid, since the signup would have been done against the ToS of the board.
    Maybe it is not about preventing feds from joining but about limiting what they can
    make use off :-)

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 15:25:00 2022
    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

    I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's
    BBS without a warrant would be valid, since the signup would have
    been done against the ToS of the board. Maybe it is not about
    preventing feds from joining but about limiting what they can
    make use off :-)

    My guess is that putting that statement in an advertisement does not
    establish that policy as a "ToS" for the board. There's no indication
    that a potential user has to AGREE to that as a condition of use. It
    *might* be different if there is a questionaire during the signup that
    asks that specific question and requires you to answer, but just the advertisement alone -- I think not.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 15:28:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

    I would think putting that in the ad might cause them to take
    notice. :D

    Haha, hadn't even thought of that angle, but yes, definitely! :-)



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 14:31:20 2022
    On 7/15/22 19:27, Gamgee wrote:
    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

    Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

    AFAIK, it's pretty much meaningless legally. Any "fed" signing in for
    legal reasons wouldn't need to follow that rule/exclusion, and anyone
    that respected the rules might side with #1A would be excluded from any conversation. It could even trigger unwanted attention if noticed.

    It's mostly virtue signalling.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 14:33:11 2022
    On 7/16/22 10:13, Arelor wrote:

    I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's BBS
    without a warrant would be valid, since the signup would have been
    done against the ToS of the board. Maybe it is not about preventing
    feds from joining but about limiting what they can make use off :-)

    End user agreements are not an affirmative defense for illegal activity. Although it could require a warrant, and FISA courts tend to rubber
    stamp those. IANAL.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Jul 16 20:59:03 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:33 pm

    stamp those. IANAL.

    you dirty boy.
    IANAL TOO.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Sat Jul 16 22:23:00 2022
    Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
    allowed on the bbs....the viper

    Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

    Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

    AFAIK, it's pretty much meaningless legally. Any "fed" signing in
    for legal reasons wouldn't need to follow that rule/exclusion,
    and anyone that respected the rules might side with #1A would be
    excluded from any conversation. It could even trigger unwanted
    attention if noticed.

    Yes, absolutely agree on all points there.

    It's mostly virtue signalling.

    Yep. :-)



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Gamgee on Sun Jul 17 07:00:20 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 2022 03:25 pm

    I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's
    BBS without a warrant would be valid, since the signup would have
    been done against the ToS of the board. Maybe it is not about preventing feds from joining but about limiting what they can
    make use off :-)

    My guess is that putting that statement in an advertisement does not establish that policy as a "ToS" for the board. There's no indication
    that a potential user has to AGREE to that as a condition of use. It *might* be different if there is a questionaire during the signup that
    asks that specific question and requires you to answer, but just the advertisement alone -- I think not.


    Well, there is at least a board that informs the user that Feds are not allowed when creating an account XD

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 18 09:36:55 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Tracker1 to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:31 pm

    It's mostly virtue signalling.
    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Margaerynne on Mon Jul 18 14:36:00 2022
    Margaerynne wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Tracker1 to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:31 pm

    It's mostly virtue signalling.

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
    service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Hmmmmm.... you sure about that? Doesn't seem likely to me. An
    (admittedly quick) Google search doesn't indicate that.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Tue Jul 19 08:47:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Margaerynne <=-

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
    service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Hmmmmm.... you sure about that? Doesn't seem likely to me. An (admittedly quick) Google search doesn't indicate that.

    It's definitely part of the lore of old dial-up BBSes. Most of 1337 BBSes
    new user apps would ask if you were a "Fed" (or we as would say, a "Ph3D!!")




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  • From Kaelon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 20 13:18:37 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Tue Jul 19 2022 08:47 am

    It's definitely part of the lore of old dial-up BBSes. Most of 1337 BBSes new user apps would ask if you were a "Fed" (or we as would say, a "Ph3D!!")

    Definitely reminds me of what the entire 813 scene called our local WWIVnet region op. They just called him the "NARC". LOL.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Kaelon on Thu Jul 21 07:09:00 2022
    Kaelon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    It's definitely part of the lore of old dial-up BBSes. Most of 1337 BBSes new user apps would ask if you were a "Fed" (or we as would say, a "Ph3D!!")

    Definitely reminds me of what the entire 813 scene called our local WWIVnet region op. They just called him the "NARC".

    415 here. We had a pretty decent scene here, I remember a Forum BBS that had
    a whole shareware facade; you'd hit a hidden menu item to get to the real
    BBS.



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Margaerynne on Thu Jul 21 14:22:03 2022
    On 7/18/22 07:36, Margaerynne wrote:
    It's mostly virtue signalling.

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
    service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is
    absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

    How do you think they get undercover agents into AntiFa, Proud Boys...?

    (Even if they're as likely to orchestrate such actions that they then, "stop").
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  • From Kaelon@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 21 20:00:52 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Kaelon on Thu Jul 21 2022 07:09 am

    415 here. We had a pretty decent scene here, I remember a Forum BBS that had a whole shareware facade; you'd hit a hidden menu item to get to the real BBS.

    Love it! Back when User Account Security Levels really allowed you to build layer upon layer of different experiences.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Thu Jul 21 22:35:19 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Tracker1 to Margaerynne on Thu Jul 21 2022 02:22 pm


    How do you think they get undercover agents into AntiFa, Proud Boys...?



    well if these fbi agents are really trying to infultrate the proud boys they must be real bored. proud boys isnt really a hate group or white supramacist organization. it's just a bunch of internet dudes being immature.

    shout out to the fbi agent watching me type this.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Fri Jul 22 08:47:29 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Tracker1 to Margaerynne on Thu Jul 21 2022 02:22 pm

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
    service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is
    absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

    It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Margaerynne on Fri Jul 22 14:31:11 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Margaerynne to Tracker1 on Fri Jul 22 2022 08:47 am

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

    It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

    never heard it.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Sat Jul 23 21:02:09 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: MRO to Margaerynne on Fri Jul 22 2022 02:31 pm

    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Margaerynne to Tracker1 on Fri Jul 22 2022 08:47 am

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

    It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

    never heard it.

    It's actually a line in a movie or two.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sun Jul 24 04:08:47 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Jul 23 2022 09:02 pm

    It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

    never heard it.

    It's actually a line in a movie or two.

    internet sez breaking bad.

    i'm sure it's in movies. not the constitution part of it, though.
    there's people that think it's actually the law or it's intrapment.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Fri Aug 5 23:07:53 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Jul 23 2022 09:02 pm

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

    It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

    never heard it.

    It's actually a line in a movie or two.

    Now I'm wondering if it's a generation thing. Roughly every millennial knows the "You have to tell me if you're a cop" joke (probably because of Breaking Bad)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Margaerynne on Sat Aug 6 11:11:05 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Margaerynne to Digital Man on Fri Aug 05 2022 11:07 pm

    It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in
    the Constitution" joke

    never heard it.

    It's actually a line in a movie or two.

    Now I'm wondering if it's a generation thing. Roughly every millennial knows the "You have to tell me if you're a cop" joke (probably because of Breaking Bad)

    I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Aug 9 11:52:22 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Nightfox to Margaerynne on Sat Aug 06 2022 11:11 am

    I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tue Aug 9 15:19:17 2022
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 09 2022 11:52 am

    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Nightfox to Margaerynne on Sat Aug 06 2022 11:11 am

    I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

    I recommend that you watch it. Then El Camino (movie), then Better Call Saul.

    I liked it when i watched it, but i stopped watching. I'm not even sure what season i was on. It's hard for me to commit to these shows that run for several years.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 9 20:25:00 2022
    Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

    I recommend that you watch it. Then El Camino (movie), then
    Better Call Saul.

    1000% agree. El Camino was just "okay" for me, but I think BB is
    probably the best show/series ever aired on television. I'd also say
    that BCS is not far behind that. Great stuff. BCS is currently on it's
    last season, being broadcast on AMC channel. I've got 4-5 episodes on
    the DVR left to watch.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Margaerynne on Tue Feb 14 07:45:14 2023
    Re: Re: fed's
    By: Margaerynne to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 18 2022 09:36:55

    Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

    Drug Dealer: Are you a fed?
    Fed: You got me. Doh!


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